tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post1115441599663669534..comments2023-10-20T05:48:35.458-04:00Comments on THE ATHEIST JEW: My 500th Post: Dawkins anti-semitic remark, Pat Condell, and Bye JakeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-22282162344981050532010-01-17T23:56:53.002-05:002010-01-17T23:56:53.002-05:00I don't see the anti-semetic slant by Dawkins ...I don't see the anti-semetic slant by Dawkins that you claim. It is obvious to me that he is trying to rally the atheist troops, as it were, with an analogy. The Jews have a powerful lobby and if we organize then we will have a powerful lobby. It is as simple as that. You seem to have an agenda and are seeing things that aren't really there.jhchrestoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05072397525569895264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-76534015253935933232009-08-17T07:16:43.881-04:002009-08-17T07:16:43.881-04:00I've written many pieces which illustrate how ...I've written many pieces which illustrate how an atheist can be a Jew. In fact, the definition is in the heading.<br />Even Richard Dawkins considers himself to be cultural Christian.<br />Research? I know this stuff like the back of my hand. Including the Khazar stuff, and I've addressed it here as well.<br />In a nutshell, I am not the only one who defines me. My family, my friends, my neighbours, the entire world, my culture all contribute to how I am perceived.<br />If you don't want to acknowledge me as an atheist Jew, that is your business, but the overwhelming majority does consider me to be a Jew, so I'll go with it.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-67225369679739772882009-08-17T07:09:58.108-04:002009-08-17T07:09:58.108-04:00May I ask you a question? How can you be an atheis...May I ask you a question? How can you be an atheist and Jewish. I.e. it requires critical mind to understand the pathology of religion and vaguesness of the god concept. What about nationality context? Have you ever thought about the origin of the modern so called Jewish nation? Who is a Jew? Ashkenazi or Sephardic? Ashkenazi - is it really Jewish? Have you heard about the Khazars?<br /><br />You seem to be a thinking person, please do some research on this as well...<br /><br />RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-982079988146898412009-08-08T12:51:41.252-04:002009-08-08T12:51:41.252-04:00Yes there is a powerful Israel lobby, and it's...Yes there is a powerful Israel lobby, and it's not helpful to pretend otherwise. However, it's completely wrong to associate this lobby solely with Jews or Judaism. In the US, powerful monetary and political support for Israel comes from fundamentalist Christians, and any government ignores them at their peril.<br /><br />Those who attempt to slander Judaism by claiming undue influence on government, are indeed anti-Semitic.<br /><br />The fact that many prominent high achievers in the US are Jewish is a tribute to their endurance of things past, not least the horrors of the 20th century.<br /><br />ShalomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-66017128692003624312007-10-13T13:45:00.000-04:002007-10-13T13:45:00.000-04:00gert,Back-pedaling is when you retract or modify s...gert,<BR/>Back-pedaling is when you retract or modify something, but I stand by my comments 100%, and am giving you the opportunity to 'fess up to your false characterization of them, for your own sake.<BR/><BR/>In defending your imbecile aspersion, you said, and I quote: "Only an imbecile of unprecedented proportions would <B>believe that atheists must be anti-Semites</B>." No where do I say anything of that sort, nor would I since I don't believe that. <BR/><BR/>It also helps to notice the subject verb object structure of what I said in this clause, which has nothing to do with atheists in general nor even the content of what Dawkins, much less atheists in general believe, and I quote myself:<BR/>"...don't find this post adds fuel to the fire, because most notable to me about Dawkins is <B>his bitter virulence</B>, *how* not what he says, to the point <B>his manner</B> just shouts Satanic inspiration." <BR/><BR/>I see, Gert, you have added yet another insult to the nincompoop, imbecile ad hominems with your last post by now calling me a "<B>hypocrite</B>." While it is true, that from time to time I behave hypocritically, you wouldn't know this from anything I've said here. Anyway, I'll leave you be, think what you want, I tried to have open, honest discussion, but sometimes it just breaks down. Best regards. - OrdeOrdehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710970513424387777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-82770803824615796962007-10-13T10:21:00.000-04:002007-10-13T10:21:00.000-04:00Orde:"Look closer to what I said shouts Satanic in...<B>Orde:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"Look closer to what I said shouts Satanic inspiration"</I><BR/><BR/>How much closer do you want me to look, <I>huh</I>? What I quoted were YOUR WORDS. You say Dawkins doesn't believe in God (how can he hate what he doesn't believe in, though?), <I>ergo</I> must also hate the Apple of God's eye (Israel) <I>ergo</I> must be an anti-Semite.<BR/><BR/>This cannot be misinterpreted. Undoubtedly, like all hypocrites, you'll now start to back-pedal.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-22985478477209977382007-10-12T22:23:00.000-04:002007-10-12T22:23:00.000-04:00@BEAJ:If they were just looking out for human righ...@BEAJ:<BR/><BR/><EM>If they were just looking out for human rights, why not focus their spewing on Darfur or Saudi Arabia? Why Israel?</EM><BR/><BR/>They might have another agenda. For example they might be driven by anti-Americanism and Israel is an ally. Or they might have never forgiven Israel for being on the winning side in the Cold war... <BR/><BR/>@Gert:<BR/><BR/><EM>Criticism doesn't equal prejudice at all. It's very common to criticise something in a rational, underpinned way, without being prejudiced.</EM><BR/><BR/>Quite. I should have been clearer. I didn't mean "criticism". I meant viscious unreasonable and libelous lies singling out Israel and denying Israelis the right to defend themselves against mass murderous suicidal acts and other little hobbies of Israel's neibours.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-3538525507696869412007-10-12T19:21:00.000-04:002007-10-12T19:21:00.000-04:00I think these guys will love you. LOLhttp://handsa...I think these guys will love you. LOL<BR/>http://handsacrossoceanministry.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/god-hates-canucks-and-with-good-reason/Raincloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037506014871506942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-68681153065438668662007-10-12T15:58:00.000-04:002007-10-12T15:58:00.000-04:00Shlemazl:"They are still racists, as is anyone pre...<B>Shlemazl:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"They are still racists, as is anyone prejudiced against any nation."</I><BR/><BR/>I take it then that if you were to criticize, say Britain, you'd be a racist?<BR/><BR/>Criticism doesn't equal prejudice at all. It's very common to criticise something in a rational, underpinned way, without being prejudiced.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-63788454464230584332007-10-12T14:50:00.000-04:002007-10-12T14:50:00.000-04:00Hey, hey, hey, characterizing something I actually...Hey, hey, hey, characterizing something I actually say as imbecilic is one thing, but putting words in my mouth is another. Look closer to what I said shouts Satanic inspiration: Dawkins' manner. I, a bacon abstaining, theistic Gentile visited this site because I met beaj, an atheist, on another philo-semitic website and was impressed by his rationality combined with support for Jews, something not limited to believers.Ordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710970513424387777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-16092001190175072902007-10-12T12:37:00.000-04:002007-10-12T12:37:00.000-04:00BEAJ:"If they were just looking out for human righ...<B>BEAJ:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"If they were just looking out for human rights, why not focus their spewing on Darfur or Saudi Arabia? Why Israel?"</I><BR/><BR/>... is another one of those ridiculous old chestnuts designed really to try and deflect attention away from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. <I>Bad Lefties for looking at Israel</I>. Tut tut tut... bigger problems in the world, off to Darfur with you, nothing to see here... move along...<BR/><BR/>People the world over take an interest in that conflict for a multitude of reasons. No wishing on a star on your part will change that.<BR/><BR/>Q: How do you call someone who writes: <I>"[...] *how* not what he says, to the point his manner just shouts Satanic inspiration. So I expect him to hate the priorities of God, such as the chosen people of God, the biblical apple of God's eye or life--tommy mentioned euthanasia, which also added no fuel fire, for same reason: lowest expectations."</I><BR/><BR/>A: An imbecile... Only an imbecile of unprecedented proportions would believe that atheists must be anti-Semites. It's a good thing this is Tinkerwebs because in real life I'd have put his nose out of joint, trust me on that...Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-49497548091328816022007-10-12T07:15:00.000-04:002007-10-12T07:15:00.000-04:00Shlemazl, someone other than a Muslim who focuses ...Shlemazl, someone other than a Muslim who focuses on Israel's policies over Saudi Arabia's policies is almost certainly an anti-semite to a large degree, whether they admit it or not.<BR/><BR/>If they were just looking out for human rights, why not focus their spewing on Darfur or Saudi Arabia? Why Israel?Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-66853265938585675942007-10-11T19:10:00.000-04:002007-10-11T19:10:00.000-04:00So if someone goes on a limb to criticize only Isr...<EM>So if someone goes on a limb to criticize only Israel I have no problem labelling them as an anti-semite to a larger degree</EM><BR/><BR/>Not necessarily. Why do you need to do that? <BR/><BR/>They might be prejudiced against Israel for other reasons, such as being part of the left "we hhhhhate Israel" campaign". They may not have anything against someone who is Jewish but not Israeli. It's just like an anti-American person may not hate Anglo-Saxons (or may in fact be an Anglo-Saxon; just like anti-Israeli could be Jewish).<BR/><BR/>The fact they are not necessarily anti-Semitic does not make them any better. They are still racists, as is anyone prejudiced against any nation.BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-2308639337981275352007-10-11T17:36:00.000-04:002007-10-11T17:36:00.000-04:00Shlemazl, Dawkins withdrew his name from a petitio...Shlemazl, Dawkins <A HREF="http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-gersten-f03.htm" REL="nofollow">withdrew his name </A>from a petition in 2003.<BR/><BR/>Gert, Orde is not an imbecile IMHO.<BR/>Also, I believe that most of us are prejudiced to some degree. People can say racist or anti-semitic things, but in order to be an anti-semite, you need to repeat things like Dawkins did a few times, or just plain admit that you dislike Jews. Anti-semitism can be measured in degrees as far as I'm concerned.<BR/><BR/>Kilgore, a very high percentage of Jews support Israel. You don't have to agree with all their policies to support a country. Just like most Americans support America, yet many are against the Iraq war, abortion, the death penalty, etc.<BR/>I find people who condemn Israel but don't condemn the situations in Darfur or Saudi Arabia questionable as to their real intentions and the degree they don't like Jews. So if someone goes on a limb to criticize only Israel I have no problem labelling them as an anti-semite to a larger degree, or perhaps they are Muslims and many are prejudiced against Israel and Jews to begin with.<BR/>Remember, to be prejudiced is to prejudge. Many people assume anything Israel does is a bad thing regardless of the real intentions of the act.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-65303848043560594332007-10-11T14:55:00.000-04:002007-10-11T14:55:00.000-04:00Congrats on #500I disagree with Dawkins comment on...Congrats on #500<BR/><BR/>I disagree with Dawkins comment only because as has been pointed out it should have been the Israeli Lobby not the Jewish Lobby, and more importantly the "monopoly on foreign policy." <BR/><BR/>There is no question in my mind that do to some very effective organizing this tiny minority (1.3% of US) has been able to have considerably more influence that their numbers alone would account for. There is no antisemitism in my comment, just a simple statement and I believe it is in line with what Dawkins meant. <BR/><BR/>Of course the other reason why the Israeli Lobby is so effective is because as soon as anyone disagrees with them they are immediately labeled as antisemetic, a label no one wants. It makes it nearly impossible to disagree with them. And this point has been made perfectly evident in this little discussion.<BR/><BR/>And Ari I'm highly dubious of the 99.99% of Jews that support Israel, my closest friend is Jewish, his family has several high ranking Rabi's in Israel, and he does not support Israel's policies and neither do many of his family members here and in Israel. <BR/><BR/>Sorry about Jake.Kilgore Trouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10860526600723545020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-38330968351448392602007-10-11T11:31:00.000-04:002007-10-11T11:31:00.000-04:00Gert, Dawkins said, "more or less monopolise Ameri...Gert, Dawkins said, "more or less monopolise American foreign policy as far as many people can see". That's not the same as having influence. Monopoly is something illegal. To monopolise government or policy is to do something evil and immoral. I don't thing the jewish lobby is evil and immoral. The jewish lobby doesn't cross the lines of morality or do anything unfailry anymore than any other lobby.Turtle Dove Machinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229419515446093771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-20319918610953091282007-10-11T11:04:00.000-04:002007-10-11T11:04:00.000-04:00BEAJ:"Nobody is calling Dawkins an anti-semite to ...<B>BEAJ:</B><BR/><BR/><I>"Nobody is calling Dawkins an anti-semite to my knowledge, only that his comment was anti-semitic."</I><BR/><BR/>Only anti-Semites make anti-Semitic comments, to say his comment was anti-Semitic is to say he's an anti-Semite. Dawkins's comment was very foolish and factually incorrect. The right way to tackle that is to point that out, firmly and clearly. There is no need to go for the AS thingy. If it turns out that Dawkins really is an anti-Semite, that will then become clear enough, soon enough. You are being deliberately disingenuous here because you know very well that dropping the AS word brings attention.<BR/><BR/><I>"If you read the Wikipedia entry you'll see what I mean about the correlation between buying into Jewish world control and dead Jews."</I><BR/><BR/>I don't need a lesson from you, thanks. The connection between the fact that there is indeed such a thing as the Israel lobby and the Protocols of Zion is a terribly clumsy way of trying to silence people by associating them with an anti-Semitic hoax.<BR/><BR/>Lemmesee, when Bernard Lewis claims rightly so that the Jewish American lobby is nothing more than a legitimate and successful attempt of American Jews to politically organise themselves, I accept that fully and see few people protest. but when someone says that this interest group has influence, the chorus goes: <I>"Cabal! Protocols!"</I> And of course... <I>"anti-Seeeemiiiites!"</I><BR/><BR/>As regards The New York Sun, what to say but that the <I>dumbest rags the whole world around have the word "Sun" in them...</I><BR/><BR/><B>Orde:</B><BR/><BR/>You're an imbecile.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-6657493526823644172007-10-10T22:50:00.000-04:002007-10-10T22:50:00.000-04:00He meant what he said. I recall about a year ago ...He meant what he said. I recall about a year ago he signed a British university union petition to boycott Israel.<BR/><BR/>I also recall him saying something like "you are better of being raped by your parents than having them teach you religion".BHChhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08178467606233596591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-40369884430051256232007-10-10T15:26:00.000-04:002007-10-10T15:26:00.000-04:00atheologist,For clarification, I'm not Jewish (jus...atheologist,<BR/>For clarification, I'm not Jewish (just in case that's what you meant by "chosen people"), but reasons I care what atheists think b/c (1) society functions better when those w/differing viewpoints actually understand where each other's coming from before proposing (much less imposing )policy to accomodate the different views and protect the rights of those who hold them, and (2) I've got good news of eternal life and fellowship with a personal God who makes daily living meaningful, and wish that others could have it too. It's called love, wanting the best for others. (speaking of which, I'm pretty sure gert's reaching out here to apologize for the namecalling, thanks gert)Ordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710970513424387777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-18746773282727048312007-10-10T13:35:00.000-04:002007-10-10T13:35:00.000-04:00orde,I have a question for you, why would someone ...orde,<BR/><BR/>I have a question for you, why would someone like you, you know, one of, <I>'the chosen people of God',</I> give a crap about what those of us who,<I> 'hate the priorities of God',</I> think?The Atheologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094021492573529808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-22153461192086739222007-10-10T13:01:00.000-04:002007-10-10T13:01:00.000-04:00My msn.com account is blocked (can't access, dunno...My msn.com account is blocked (can't access, dunno why).<BR/><BR/>My primary is back up again: g*m*e*y*e*r*s@g*m*e*y*e*r*s@p*l*u*s.c*o*m<BR/><BR/>Eliminate the *'s.<BR/><BR/>I'll respond to your other points later.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-37001884845477160822007-10-10T12:12:00.000-04:002007-10-10T12:12:00.000-04:00gert, I'm pretty much a "US Ultra Conservative-Zio...gert, I'm pretty much a "US Ultra Conservative-Zionist," and don't find this post adds fuel to the fire, because most notable to me about Dawkins is his bitter virulence, *how* not what he says, to the point his manner just shouts Satanic inspiration. So I expect him to hate the priorities of God, such as the chosen people of God, the biblical apple of God's eye or life--tommy mentioned euthanasia, which also added no fuel fire, for same reason: lowest expectations. <BR/><BR/>Instead, what I marvel at is not the remarks of Dawkins', but the responses to them by those who cling to him. <BR/><BR/>Beaj is giving out apologies on another thread, and if you want join in this spirit of reconciliation by apologizing to me for by implication calling me a "nincompoop," that'd be a beautiful thing.Ordehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710970513424387777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-55958069702063624562007-10-10T10:54:00.000-04:002007-10-10T10:54:00.000-04:00Sorry to hear about Jake, they never live long eno...Sorry to hear about Jake, they never live long enough.<BR/><BR/>Congratulations on your 500th post.The Atheologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094021492573529808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-18451955560625263042007-10-10T10:31:00.000-04:002007-10-10T10:31:00.000-04:00Gert, do I add to the fuel when give my opinion ab...Gert, do I add to the fuel when give my opinion about Amona settlers or the Modesty Bus?<BR/>I don't want to be hypocritical and give an atheist a free pass, just as I don't give Jews a free pass. <BR/>When I see something wrong with something that I'm identified with, I usually post about it on MY blog.<BR/>Nobody is calling Dawkins an anti-semite to my knowledge, only that his comment was anti-semitic. This post illustrates two things, Dawkins is in a position where he needs to watch what he says and that there could be a cultural influence that may negatively impact his point of view on world politics.<BR/>If you read the Wikipedia entry you'll see what I mean about the correlation between buying into Jewish world control and dead Jews.<BR/>As far as British culture, I am going by what I read mostly by Brits who understand the brainwashing they have rejected.<BR/>You should also read <A HREF="http://www.nysun.com/article/63946" REL="nofollow">this article</A> I linked if you haven't already.<BR/>And why haven't you returned my last two gmails?Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-82220112623432988022007-10-10T10:19:00.000-04:002007-10-10T10:19:00.000-04:00Pjays:You really are a bit of a joke sometimes, ar...<B>Pjays:</B><BR/><BR/>You really are a bit of a joke sometimes, <I>aren't you?</I><BR/><BR/>That Dawkins made a fool of himself with that statement is a real shame. That someone like you has to try and add some fuel to the fire is however <I>equally shameful</I>. US Ultra Conservatives, Xtian-Zionists and assorted nincompoops will now forever associate a spokes person for American Atheism with anti-Semitism and you're just adding to it.<BR/><BR/>So he's an AS, he's not, we don't really know, blahdiblahdiblah, <I>ad infinitum...</I>. In the mean time the damage is done. Jews should really be much more careful with that term: it's lost almost all meaning through overuse.<BR/><BR/><I>"[...]though I blame it on him being a victim of the British culture."</I><BR/><BR/>What you know about "British culture" would fit on the back of a small stamp.<BR/><BR/><I>"The thing is that is not a fact, and comments like this have led to dead Jews in the past."</I><BR/><BR/>As regards the Israel lobby, of course that exists, as there is a tobacco lobby, an anti-tobacco lobby, a pro-Muslim lobby etc etc etc. Why on earth would saying so lead to "dead Jews"?<BR/><BR/>"Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader": I doubt that very much sometimes. You've guessed, you've really pissed me off big style here.<BR/><BR/>Sorry about your dog.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.com