tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post114528939305550574..comments2023-10-20T05:48:35.458-04:00Comments on THE ATHEIST JEW: My Case For Israel, As An AtheistUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-19395364841481802172014-06-29T12:02:59.686-04:002014-06-29T12:02:59.686-04:00It was only made strategic and economic when more ...It was only made strategic and economic when more Jews started migrating to it in the early 20th century. How come nobody has a problem with Pakistan becoming a Muslims state around the same time as Israel. 5 million people were displaced in the late 40's thanks to its creation....oh wait, nothing to do with Jew.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-14764434952346462362014-06-29T11:56:28.632-04:002014-06-29T11:56:28.632-04:00I also wonder why a land in such a strategic and e...I also wonder why a land in such a strategic and economic place would be un owned may be it is because the British occupation made it so ?AbOHaNihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977737928526819731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-81179070846377838652009-05-16T08:07:00.000-04:002009-05-16T08:07:00.000-04:00Definitely agnostic any way.Definitely agnostic any way.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-33668831860119406322009-05-16T05:15:00.000-04:002009-05-16T05:15:00.000-04:00Hey Baconeater... I love your blog!!! I finally ...Hey Baconeater... I love your blog!!! I finally saw someone else besides myself that has "outed" themselves as a Zionist Atheist! :-) I suspected that Herzl was an atheist and the articles that I have read and your blog have confirmed it. Thanks!!!Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06197013985416374432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-42594736323061871622008-08-10T03:37:00.000-04:002008-08-10T03:37:00.000-04:00I wont argue about the cultural aspects that peopl...I wont argue about the cultural aspects that people value. <BR/> I still attend a family Passover Seder as an excuse to get together. I do not play the role of the "wicked son." <BR/> (btw, I respect Dawkins as a biologist, but he falls a little short as a philosopher. Daniel Dennett seems to be even more cultural. <BR/><BR/> Touch'e and...<BR/><BR/> Le'hitraot : )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-60365840666366337102008-08-10T00:04:00.000-04:002008-08-10T00:04:00.000-04:00Around six months ago, Richard Dawkins claimed he ...Around six months ago, Richard Dawkins claimed he was a cultural Christian for what it is worth.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-64303614175466779072008-08-09T22:07:00.000-04:002008-08-09T22:07:00.000-04:00"jewish heritage," makes as much sense (in princip..."jewish heritage," makes as much sense (in principle) as "christian heritage." <BR/><BR/> Can you be a christian atheist, muslim atheist or hindu atheist? Do they inherit their ancestors religion?<BR/><BR/> It doesn't make sense unless you practice the rituals or believe in the supernatural. Perhaps you believe in a Jewish soul that you inherit? <BR/><BR/> As far as nationality:<BR/><BR/> We are all born atheists, but we are not all born in neutral territory. This is a legal matter in accordance to the state you live in. <BR/> Whether or not israel would take me in as a citizen because my mother is jewish does not confirm that i am indeed a jew. They can change their laws tomorrow and i will remain the same person.<BR/><BR/> The "neturei karta" jews are still jews despite the fact that they are anti-zionist. Israel might take them in as well. <BR/><BR/>p.s.<BR/> Part of the reason why i have respect for the state of Israel is due to the fact that they are NOT a theocracy. <BR/>(unlike the Muslim countries Israel does not have a stone-age mentality). You can be a zionist with jewish ancestry and not be a jew.<BR/><BR/>P.P.S. you can still consider me a Jew if you wanted, I don’t mind :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-53180861398455074072008-08-09T20:16:00.000-04:002008-08-09T20:16:00.000-04:00My neighbours consider me to be a Jew. Like you s...My neighbours consider me to be a Jew. Like you said, anti-semites do too. So does my extended family.<BR/><BR/>Scientifically? I guess you can't scientifically prove where someone is born by genetic mapping. Maybe you can have a good idea. I'm sure in my case, genetic mapping would indicate Jewish heritage.<BR/><BR/>I consider you a Jew, you don't have to consider me to be one though.<BR/>We both can get into Israel though.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-32318026826489430632008-08-09T19:01:00.000-04:002008-08-09T19:01:00.000-04:00My mother is Jewish and I was once a Jew. Once i u...My mother is Jewish and I was once a Jew. Once i understood science a bit more I also understood that I was lied to most of my life. The orthodox Jews insist and like to tell me "once a Jew always a Jew." <BR/> Ironically this was also the stance of some of the biggest anti-semites in history who knew little of genetics and similarly worshiped bloodlines.<BR/> Your mother being jewish does not make you "a jew" (outside of Torah law). This was hard for me to come to terms with for many years once I left the faith. African jews , middle eastern jews, European jews, and american jews share one commonality: belief in a jewish god. <BR/> If you can post a peer reviewed scientific journal that states otherwise I would like to see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-34006624605586353152008-07-26T09:20:00.000-04:002008-07-26T09:20:00.000-04:00Sorry to reply to a really old post, hope you will...Sorry to reply to a really old post, hope you will see this, happened to find this by Google...<BR/><BR/>I'm from Israel...<BR/><BR/>==<BR/>BaconEating AtheistJew said...<BR/><BR/> GLO, I don't think there is one Jew or one Israeli who wouldn't bend over backwards for assured peace.<BR/>==<BR/><BR/>Regarding this - I have seen countless, *loud* rants, in social gatherings, on how the goverment should be more agressive towards the Arabs, and some Israelis outright despise Arabs altogether. You could say their hatred is more justified, but it is obviously still wrong.<BR/><BR/>BTW, you should be careful and more specific in saying "they want assured peace" - nihlism is also "peace". You could say even suicide bombers just want peace - they are just entirely misguided in how to get it. (I am not at all defending suicide bombers! Just clarifing on how "peace" can be very misleading...)<BR/><BR/>On another note, My take on all this is extremely radical - Agnostic. I firmly believe that the amount of attention given to the "arab problem" in Israel is entirely disproportionate to how big of a problem it is. Education and Road safety get zero screen time in Israel, and I personally find those to be much bigger and more important issues. Yearly, roughly ~20 israeli soldiers die from arab attacks, on the other hand, over 500 die from road accidents a year in Israel. Israeli universities are threatening to not open next year due to lack of budgeting, and this has been given zero media attention.<BR/><BR/>Because the "arab problem" is given an extremely *HUGE* amount of attention, both nationally and internationally, as protest, I intentionally give it *ZERO* attention. To the point of my co workers being amazed that I do not know the current president/king/whatever of Syria...<BR/><BR/>Which is not to say that it should be given zero attention - that would be also horrible because it is an important issue, it is not an excuse for not noticing other important issues and focusing solely on it.<BR/><BR/>(I apologize for using the phrase "arab problem", I do not actually mean it in that way, it is simply most concise)ods15https://www.blogger.com/profile/03790990540151322806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1153482047372322862006-07-21T07:40:00.002-04:002006-07-21T07:40:00.002-04:00Nice site!http://yidchivr.com/xqzg/onez.html | htt...Nice site!<BR/>http://yidchivr.com/xqzg/onez.html | http://amqxouyp.com/qzmy/kgtf.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1153482035290294962006-07-21T07:40:00.001-04:002006-07-21T07:40:00.001-04:00Great work!My homepage | Please visitGreat work!<BR/><A HREF="http://yidchivr.com/xqzg/onez.html" REL="nofollow">My homepage</A> | <A HREF="http://fofngrel.com/xfsv/wuuk.html" REL="nofollow">Please visit</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1153482028487078312006-07-21T07:40:00.000-04:002006-07-21T07:40:00.000-04:00Great work![url=http://yidchivr.com/xqzg/onez.html...Great work!<BR/>[url=http://yidchivr.com/xqzg/onez.html]My homepage[/url] | [url=http://azkcidqv.com/uece/ewwx.html]Cool site[/url]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145620666468813252006-04-21T07:57:00.000-04:002006-04-21T07:57:00.000-04:00Steve, again you have to be one of the most dimwit...Steve, again you have to be one of the most dimwitted walls I've ever encountered. My post on Arab IQ and insanity was an attempt to figure out their behaviour.<BR/>I didn't say Arabs are inbred morons alone, I pointed to a fact that 50% of Saudis are inbred. Whether inbreeding leads to idiocy is still not determined but strongly suspected. 50% are not inbred btw.<BR/>The IQ and low literacy numbers too are fact. Am I racist for pointing out facts? Am I racist for pointing out Arab intolerance? These are observable facts.<BR/>And yes, Israel is the only gem in the middle east.<BR/>Educate yourself.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145533403319904102006-04-20T07:43:00.000-04:002006-04-20T07:43:00.000-04:00Steve, I am critical of Israel for a few things. ...Steve, I am critical of Israel for a few things. You are just deaf dumb and blind. I swear, you have some kind of perception defect.<BR/>Jews didn't start a war in WW2, nor did make decisions, they were just picked up and slaughtered.<BR/>Israel has tons of party, and the one that got in said the same thing I say. <BR/>The Palestinians deserve nothing. They don't want a state, they want the destruction of Israel (I'm talking the majority here).<BR/><BR/>GLO, I'm not sure if Francis is talking the 1967 borders or the Partition borders. Those are two different things. I used to think 1967 borders, but the settlements have actual cities now. The smaller settlements can go, but it doesn't matter. The Gaza pullout meant nothing. And the West Bank isn't Arab land either any ways. It is disputed territory. It is a Red Herring.<BR/>Israel took a step toward Palestinian statehood by leaving Gaza, and now Gaza is a breeding grounds for missiles and more terrorists. Appeasement is silly, Israel should just worry about herself, they don't have anyone to negotiate with.<BR/>Again, a pullout from the West Bank would cost billions and billions of dollars.....and for what? The Arab world will still want to get rid of Israel.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145507147905992152006-04-20T00:25:00.000-04:002006-04-20T00:25:00.000-04:00Steve, since when does the Declaration of Independ...Steve, since when does the Declaration of Independance dictate what Israel should do? What does that have to do with Islamic cultures. You sure stretch things.<BR/><BR/>It's not up to you. It is up to Israel, and Israel will be smart about it much to your dislike.<BR/><BR/>They will make their borders build a wall and defend herself like the US would defend itself it the Mexicans sent over bombs or suicide bombers.<BR/><BR/>And you can whine all you want.<BR/><BR/>It is amazing that Moonbats like you think that there are no consequences for bad decisions and losing wars.<BR/><BR/>You dudes are insane.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145497656024072912006-04-19T21:47:00.000-04:002006-04-19T21:47:00.000-04:00It started after Gaza. There was no change in the...It started after Gaza. There was no change in the Palestinians. I gave up on them. When Hamas got elected, I lost all hope of ever giving them hope.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, Palestinians exist.<BR/><BR/>You should download BBCodeXtra from Firefox, if you use it, that way your links will work on blogger.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145494998521859512006-04-19T21:03:00.000-04:002006-04-19T21:03:00.000-04:00Glo, you got a lot wrong the second time.Pimpette,...Glo, you got a lot wrong the second time.<BR/><BR/>Pimpette, you really surprised me with your lack of thought and perception in your post. I thought you were smarter than that. I'm not thinking that anymore.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145478798345147642006-04-19T16:33:00.000-04:002006-04-19T16:33:00.000-04:00You are missing the point again Steve.Jews have be...You are missing the point again Steve.<BR/>Jews have been persecuted since day 1. Now we have a place to go if anti-semitism starts off any place on this planet.<BR/><BR/>As far as religious countries goes, most countries in the West although secular are pretty much Christian. The middle eastern countries are pretty well Muslim. And Ireland and Italy are a pretty good refuge if you are a Catholic being persecuted.<BR/><BR/>Israel is NOT a religious state, not only does it have Christians and Muslims and Druze, etc, half the Jews are secular, and around 25-40% are agnostic/atheist.<BR/><BR/>You are confusing religion with ethnicity. I know it is a tough one, but think about it like this. Hitler murdered Jews, many did not believe in God or were not very religious. Now Jews everywhere have a place to go to avoid another Holocaust.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145477626361972792006-04-19T16:13:00.000-04:002006-04-19T16:13:00.000-04:00Steve, Israel isn't just about religion. A few tho...Steve, Israel isn't just about religion. A few thousand French Jews left for Israel recently because of persecution and feeling unsafe. I have no idea how many of them were Atheist, but at least they had a place to go, and not worry about being set on fire for being a Jew.<BR/><BR/>Who knows, maybe one day, Atheists will need to escape in the USA for instance. I hope Denmark, Canada or Sweden takes them in before they are murdered by raging Fundies.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145470400137164742006-04-19T14:13:00.000-04:002006-04-19T14:13:00.000-04:00I've read the posts here. I could have responded t...I've read the posts here. I could have responded to many of them, but all I could feel was numb. I lived in Israel for 22 years and know how high emotions run there and here among those who want the country's destruction.<BR/><BR/>Even a non-believer ends up believing in miracles when it comes to Israel's survival.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145463813583053992006-04-19T12:23:00.000-04:002006-04-19T12:23:00.000-04:00BEAJ,I am sorry that Bern felt a need to add so mu...BEAJ,<BR/><BR/>I am sorry that Bern felt a need to add so much hatred to the discussion. I guess Israel is the only country in the world that is not allowed to defend herself in some peoples eyes. These people just want to see her destroyed. If a nation is attacked, especially with overwhelming numbers, she needs to do what ever it takes to survive. <BR/><BR/>As to Anon and his God willing statement, please continue to believe in Allah and please continue to be so direct. It is easier to for the rest of us to know our enemy.HateTaxeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09467615774017631635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145453130280884632006-04-19T09:25:00.000-04:002006-04-19T09:25:00.000-04:00Bernanda, I've had enough with your lies, ignoranc...Bernanda, I've had enough with your lies, ignorance and rhetoric.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to start deleting your posts from here on in. You aren't welcome here. You are a liar, a misfit, and overall an anti-semitic piece of shit.<BR/><BR/>I don't need to see your posts anymore.<BR/><BR/>You add nothing but lies here. Go whine all you want.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145452684728740782006-04-19T09:18:00.000-04:002006-04-19T09:18:00.000-04:00Bacon, you are either a liar or a moron.I gave you...Bacon, you are either a liar or a moron.<BR/><BR/>I gave you links to Jewish and Israeli sources which explain that the Palestinians were driven out and that it was the intentional policy of the Jewish terrorists.<BR/><BR/>The Jews massacred villagers, poisoned wells.<BR/><BR/>Of course, you say that you don't consult such sources. You are exactly like a christian fundamentalist anti-evolutionist. You are afraid of looking at facts that challenge your deeply held beliefs.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that zionism is a violent racist totalitarian ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1145451962406280182006-04-19T09:06:00.000-04:002006-04-19T09:06:00.000-04:00I just went back at the post. Again, it is typica...I just went back at the post. Again, it is typical of your ilk to not understand what I was saying and to quote me out of context.<BR/><BR/>I was replying to specific situations where a few Jews were feeling guilty about driving out some Arabs.<BR/><BR/>I admit that happened, but not that much.<BR/><BR/>As I stated in my post, it is a historical fact that most Arabs left on their own under the guise that the Arabs were going to win the war.<BR/><BR/>And I could bring up Arab quotes to support this, but you've seen them before and they obviously don't fit your agenda so you ignore them.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.com