tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post115997690438373336..comments2023-10-20T05:48:35.458-04:00Comments on THE ATHEIST JEW: Foley: Belief in Jesus Made Him GayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160501558536482652006-10-10T13:32:00.000-04:002006-10-10T13:32:00.000-04:00I’m sure we have bored everyone to death by now. I...I’m sure we have bored everyone to death by now. I don’t think I have ever made so many comments on one thread before.<BR/>I guess it is a bit boorish to praise one’s own culture too much. I had hoped to make it clear that Anglosphere culture is not to be confused with Anglo-Saxon culture. Many groups have contributed to this great (oops there I go again) culture not least the Irish. Sorry about leaving them out of my list.<BR/>Sure the Greeks have had their influence too. We cherry picked the good stuff and decided to pass on things like pedastry. Some things have influenced us more than others like Protestantism, Puritism, the Magna Carta and Victorian values.<BR/><BR/>I have learned many things here. I have been called a dipwad, an idiot and told to go fuck myself although I am particularly proud of being called ‘insane’.<BR/><BR/>I had no idea we were responsible for the curse of fascism and communism. It reminds me of the Iraqi I spoke to who insisted that the English controlled the US and that Iraq was doomed for 500 years – bless him.<BR/><BR/>I understand the world better now. The Greek ‘warrior’ walking around downtown Athens hand in hand with his 13-year-old boy lover, staring longingly into his eyes and writing love poems to was something to behold. Yet the sturdy pioneer, clutching his Bible and taming the West was, oh so less than perfect – an horrid fundamentalist homophobe and the meanest sonofabitch ever. I also learned that Clarence Darrow was a tosser sometimes. That most of what I ‘know’ is rubbish and the same for what every one else knows too - isn’t that called the beginning of wisdom?<BR/><BR/>I do appreciate all the time you have expended responding to my comments Ka– you must think that I am redeemable and that is indeed the case. I’m not sure I like how all my comments get bolded and repeated and how you only pick out the stuff you don’t like but each to his own I guess.<BR/><BR/>Oh, by the way, that place is called New Zealand.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160428527705972702006-10-09T17:15:00.000-04:002006-10-09T17:15:00.000-04:00AA:It’s interesting that you believe Anglosphere c...AA:<BR/><B>It’s interesting that you believe Anglosphere culture hasn’t been very successful at furthering the cause of human freedom.</B> <BR/>Note that I used the word 'primarily', not 'exclusively'. There's a valid point.<BR/>I also note this statement:<BR/><B>It is interesting that the Anglosphere culture which has mostly condemned homosexuality based on Judeo-Xtian teachings has been uncommonly successful at colonization and economic development.</B><BR/>Unless you can prove a direct causal link, that's casuistry. At 1 juncture, the ancient Greeks get counted too, no?<BR/> <B>Maybe I should have written ‘developed advanced levels of individual liberty reasonably unhindered by corruption and oppression’. The Anglosphere has made massive contributions in the struggle against fascism and communism too.</B> <BR/>& fascism & communism were rooted where? In the Anglosphere, I believe.<BR/><B>Has developed societies where wealth is fairly evenly distributed. Where eduction and health care is generally available to all – my mainland Chinese friends believe that the true spirit of socialism resides here.</B> <BR/>Where is this place? I wanna move there.<BR/><B>It’s not unique to the Anglosphere ( I write Anglosphere because it is easier than writing UK, US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand or English speaking people who are not necessarily Anglo Saxons) The quality of life of most citizens in these countries is remarkable, non?.</B><BR/>Sure it is. Warts & all.<BR/><B> Yet not very successful according to Ka. It seems that only non English speaking people can be proud of their culture and that’s just not fair.</B><BR/>I beg your fucking pardon, but I happen to be somewhat proud o' me Irish background. Poets & philosophers. <BR/>If you're trying to pigeonhole me as 'anti-white', or anti-anything, you got the wrong guy, sport. <BR/>I'm a proponent of credit where credit is due, not stereotypical garbage ("Oog say all white men BAD!").<BR/><B>And, anyway, wasn’t John Locke a British philosopher? Britain is part of the Anglosphere surely. Did not the people around him pick up on his ideas and run with them to some extent?</B><BR/>This 'Anglosphere' thing doesn't wear on you particularly well, for some reason. <BR/>Everybody (& I mean the ENTIRE SPECIES, not just 1 select group) has their fuckups as well as their shining moments. So whoop-dee-doo. Not impressed in the slightest.<BR/>"Purity of the white anglo-saxon race? I just want to apologize for being a member of the meanest sons of bitches that ever walked the earth." - Clarence Darrow (a WHITE man, I might add, like myself).<BR/>Let me leave you w/another 'Anglospheric' quote:<BR/>"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. <BR/>John Adams, in Defense of the British Soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre, December 4, 1770"Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160418064834770772006-10-09T14:21:00.000-04:002006-10-09T14:21:00.000-04:00Is there a gay charity I can donate to as penance?...Is there a gay charity I can donate to as penance? That was a rhetorical question Ka, lol.<BR/><BR/>It’s interesting that you believe Anglosphere culture hasn’t been very successful at furthering the cause of human freedom. Maybe I should have written ‘developed advanced levels of individual liberty reasonably unhindered by corruption and oppression’. The Anglosphere has made massive contributions in the struggle against fascism and communism too. Has developed societies where wealth is fairly evenly distributed. Where eduction and health care is generally available to all – my mainland Chinese friends believe that the true spirit of socialism resides here. It’s not unique to the Anglosphere ( I write Anglosphere because it is easier than writing UK, US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand or English speaking people who are not necessarily Anglo Saxons) The quality of life of most citizens in these countries is remarkable, non?. Yet not very successful according to Ka. It seems that only non English speaking people can be proud of their culture and that’s just not fair.<BR/><BR/>And, anyway, wasn’t John Locke a British philosopher? Britain is part of the Anglosphere surely. Did not the people around him pick up on his ideas and run with them to some extent?AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160336329511804052006-10-08T15:38:00.000-04:002006-10-08T15:38:00.000-04:00AA:After a night’s sleep and a period of reading a...AA:<BR/><B>After a night’s sleep and a period of reading and contemplation I have decided to concede that the Roman Empire did not fall solely due to the eroding affects of Roman ‘gayness’. Although I doubt that Roman ‘gayness’ was considered a fearsome obstacle to the plundering barbarians.</B><BR/>Well, as the link you provided shows, Theodosius I issued an edict against it. At some juncture, it was indeed widespread, but as xtianity took ferocious hold, it became verboten.<BR/><B>I will also concede that it is cruel of me to lump homosexuals in with criminals and other miscreants and retarded people. Is there a gay charity I can donate to as penance?</B><BR/>Words of a rational person. I respect that. Not being gay myself, I don't have any idea what constitutes 'penance'.<BR/><B>I do believe that homosexuals are tragic but then all humans are just tragedies waiting to happen.</B><BR/>Glass 1/2 empty, ey?<BR/><B>Choosing 12 year old boys as sexual toys would not be acceptable today and hopefully not ever. Lets hope that pedastry is not the next bump down that slippery slope.</B><BR/>Well, mind you, not defending the practice, but it was more than a 'boy toy' relationship, as your link illustrated. & no, I'd have to see some causal links in scientific studies before I'd even grace that w/a nod.<BR/><B>Homosexual behaviour flourishes whenever access to females is restricted as was the case in Greece and on board British naval vessels –</B><BR/>If I may be so bold, I think you may be indulging in Eurocentrism here. <BR/>There are multiple catalogued instances, from the ME to India, to China, and the Americas, where same sex unions, while not the 'norm' per se, were accepted as anything but 'deviant' behavior. Pretty much everywhere, until the missionaries came in, & started forcing their religion on the masses.<BR/><B>It is interesting that the Anglosphere culture which has mostly condemned homosexuality based on Judeo-Xtian teachings has been uncommonly successful at colonization and economic development.</B><BR/>Primarily due to aggression. <BR/><B>It has also been very successful at furthering the cause of human freedom.</B><BR/>That's really not so. It was the Founders, seeking to break away from the RC & their practices (NTM John Locke's influence) in the Age of Enlightenment, that brought it about.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160333984999297452006-10-08T14:59:00.000-04:002006-10-08T14:59:00.000-04:00AA, I guess you could argue that something positiv...AA, I guess you could argue that something positive can happen with belief in God. As most of the early pioneers were God fearing as well.<BR/><BR/>But isn't that a form of deluding oneself for the sake of society?Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160326618381460192006-10-08T12:56:00.000-04:002006-10-08T12:56:00.000-04:00After a night’s sleep and a period of reading and ...After a night’s sleep and a period of reading and contemplation I have decided to concede that the Roman Empire did not fall solely due to the eroding affects of Roman ‘gayness’. Although I doubt that Roman ‘gayness’ was considered a fearsome obstacle to the plundering barbarians.<BR/><BR/>I will also concede that it is cruel of me to lump homosexuals in with criminals and other miscreants and retarded people. Is there a gay charity I can donate to as penance?<BR/><BR/>I do believe that homosexuals are tragic but then all humans are just tragedies waiting to happen. It is the unfortunate conclusion of an atheistic reality. Our only hope is a death that is not too painful and prolonged. Homosexuals are comically tragic and I mean that in the nicest possible way. I would rather be a ‘cool’ homosexual than an ‘uncool’ heterosexual if given the choice. Homosexuals may not be aware that heterosexual males have their fair share of grief in the search for love too. <BR/><BR/>I would like people to have a read of this link that describes Greek and Roman attitudes toward homosexuality:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.ewtn.com/library/humanity/homo2.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.ewtn.com/library/humanity/homo2.htm</A><BR/>I think that the truth is more somewhere between my and ka’s worldview. The Romans certainly regarded homosexuality as ‘the Greek vice’ and a weakness. The Greeks practiced pedastry almost exclusively and were really rather shabby in this regard. Choosing 12 year old boys as sexual toys would not be acceptable today and hopefully not ever. Lets hope that pedastry is not the next bump down that slippery slope. The Roman and Greek attitude toward passive homosexual adults was one of derision which is telling. There was debate about the rightness of pedastry and anti-homosexual people everywhere have an ally in Plato when he condemns it in the Laws. Although he seemed to encourage it when he was younger. Homosexual behaviour flourishes whenever access to females is restricted as was the case in Greece and on board British naval vessels – “rum, buggery and the lash” said Churchill, almost all the ingredients for a gay old time says AA. Prisons, boarding schools, army camps etc all experience this behaviour. However this is not considered true homosexuality and more a consequence of impulses needing an outlet of some sort.<BR/>It is interesting that the Anglosphere culture which has mostly condemned homosexuality based on Judeo-Xtian teachings has been uncommonly successful at colonization and economic development. It has also been very successful at furthering the cause of human freedom. Is there a connection or would they have been even more successful had they had ‘the Greek vice’? No one will ever know although homosexuality doesn’t appear to be a pioneer trait. Pioneers needed strong family units and large families to be successful. <BR/><BR/>The new pioneers currently colonizing the West have strong anti-homo beliefs and large families too by the way.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160285971124004522006-10-08T01:39:00.000-04:002006-10-08T01:39:00.000-04:00AA:Oh, here's another 1 for your 'historical' foot...AA:<BR/>Oh, here's another 1 for your 'historical' footnotes:<BR/>"Inquisitorial repression of the sexual offenses of homosexuality and bestiality, considered, according to Canon Law, crimes against nature, merits separate attention. Homosexuality, known at the time as sodomy, was punished by death by civil authorities. It fell under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition only in the territories of Aragon, when, in 1524, Clement VII, in a papal brief, granted jurisdiction over sodomy to the Inquisition of Aragon, whether or not it was related to heresy. In Castile, cases of sodomy were not adjudicated, unless related to heresy. The tribunal of Zaragoza distinguished itself for its severity in judging these offenses: between 1571 and 1579 more than 100 men accused of sodomy were processed and at least 36 were executed; in total, between 1570 and 1630 there were 534 trials and 102 executed.[15]"<BR/>http://www.answers.com/Spanish%20inquisition<BR/>That's just ONE example among many that xtians persecuted homosexuals.<BR/>So the aversion is a learned 1, propagated via xtianity.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160282323869452122006-10-08T00:38:00.000-04:002006-10-08T00:38:00.000-04:00AA:By the way that gravatar looks really 'gay'. It...AA:<BR/><B>By the way that gravatar looks really 'gay'. It looks like some gay asian guy in pajamas getting hit by some redneck snipers bullet from across the river.</B><BR/>Dude, that's ME. Doing a sword routine. Which I've gotten a medal for in an MA tournament.<BR/><B>You got no idea how many gay links there are out there. It's like gay people have rewritten history and posted it on the internet.</B><BR/>You have no idea how many gay people have been in history. Why? They were too scared to 'come out'. Why? Them nasty ole xtians.<BR/>I don't doubt there may be a revisionist or 2 (hell, EVERY group has 'em, even atheists), but hinting at a 'radical gay agenda' does NOT help your lopsided arguments in the slightest.<BR/><B>Ah well, I've been trying to pull you back up that slippery slope Ka.</B><BR/>You'll have no luck there.<BR/><B>Standby for the next installment of AA's History of the World Part II or how the West was Won.</B><BR/>Make sure it's as funny as Mel Brooks' version. Thus far, about as accurate.<BR/><BR/>BEAJ:<BR/><B>What I'm saying that even in evolution, not everyone has to do the heterosexual thingy to keep the species going.</B><BR/>True dat.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160262062644698562006-10-07T19:01:00.000-04:002006-10-07T19:01:00.000-04:00Let me interject about evolution. Social animals ...Let me interject about evolution. Social animals like ants for instance don't require many of the ants to be potent.<BR/>Lots of monkeys and apes have alpha males who get to do all the women in the harem. I know the female monkeys often stray with the other monkeys. But we know, that you can never trust a chick.<BR/><BR/>And Romans had their eunichs to allow Roman Alpha males more time to mate and mate often.<BR/><BR/>What I'm saying that even in evolution, not everyone has to do the heterosexual thingy to keep the species going.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160260711481669382006-10-07T18:38:00.000-04:002006-10-07T18:38:00.000-04:00Humour on: By the way that gravatar looks really '...Humour on: <BR/>By the way that gravatar looks really 'gay'. It looks like some gay asian guy in pajamas getting hit by some redneck snipers bullet from across the river. <BR/>You got no idea how many gay links there are out there. It's like gay people have rewritten history and posted it on the internet. I see I'm going to have to dust off my Charles Dickens history books<BR/>Humour off<BR/><BR/>Ah well, I've been trying to pull you back up that slippery slope Ka. Fortunately I have my JudeaoChristian magnetic space boots on so I can clamber back up.<BR/>Standby for the next installment of AA's History of the World Part II or how the West was Won.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160253457743294422006-10-07T16:37:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:37:00.000-04:00AA:OK, I'm getting silly now. I'll wander off for ...AA:<BR/><B>OK, I'm getting silly now. I'll wander off for a while and find some links that support my POV.</B><BR/>You should also look at those that don't.<BR/>Do you want a balanced, informed opinion, or just what you want to hear?Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160253345616355172006-10-07T16:35:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:35:00.000-04:00AA:The early Romans did too think the Greeks were ...AA:<BR/><B>The early Romans did too think the Greeks were pansies.</B><BR/>Says who? Got link?<BR/><B>Athenians, Spartans, Macedonians - it's all Greek to me.</B><BR/>Quoting Shakespeare now? Not very...masculine, I must say. Hehehehe.<BR/><B>Real men lived in the West.</B><BR/>ROFLMAO!!! Gimmee a freakin' break, fella. <BR/>You're fast turning into comic relief here. <BR/>Machismo's only for insecure fellows.<BR/>"I'm a man, a big fuckin' man, a MANLY man, a man amongst men, I do MANLY things!"<BR/>Real men. Snort, chuckle.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160253089083838692006-10-07T16:31:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:31:00.000-04:00OK, I'm getting silly now. I'll wander off for a w...OK, I'm getting silly now. I'll wander off for a while and find some links that support my POV.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160252187587500702006-10-07T16:16:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:16:00.000-04:00The early Romans did too think the Greeks were pan...The early Romans did too think the Greeks were pansies. Athenians, Spartans, Macedonians - it's all Greek to me.<BR/>Alexander only conquered all those gay people to the East. Real men lived in the West.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160252146722940532006-10-07T16:15:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:15:00.000-04:00AA:Oops. Sorry. Incorrect statement:Or are you una...AA:<BR/>Oops. Sorry. Incorrect statement:<BR/><B>Or are you unaware that the Romans adopted piles of customs as well as mythology?</B><BR/>Obviously you were. <BR/>Go look up Theodosious. The emperor who issued the edict that xtianity was the official religion, & banned all others.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160251747398565472006-10-07T16:09:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:09:00.000-04:00AA:I do believe the Romans wiped the clocks of tho...AA:<BR/><B>I do believe the Romans wiped the clocks of those effeminate Greeks.</B><BR/>Errr, ummm, I said Athenian. The Spartans weren't pederasts, & their soldiery trained in a manner that would make a Ranger go pale. I believe the Macedonians used the concept. Alexander took over most of the known world, he was bi. & Achilles? Contrary to the movie, that wasn't his cousin - that was his lover (he was bi, too).<BR/><B> Indeed the early Romans thought the Greeks were a lot of gay boys .</B><BR/>Ummm...do I really need to correct all your historical errors too? Or are you unaware that the Romans adopted piles of customs as well as mythology?<BR/><B>Unfortunately the Romans later adopted dubious Greek attitudes and their strength was sapped. Say hello to the Huns and Visigoths boys.</B><BR/>Aye caramba! Do you ever read a book?<BR/>The Romans fell because xtianity took over, & diverted resources necessary to maintain the military. <BR/>Homosexuality toppled the Roman Empire?!?!?!? You are yanking my chain, right?Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160251286850064002006-10-07T16:01:00.000-04:002006-10-07T16:01:00.000-04:00AA:The ideal human doesn't exist except as a conce...AA:<BR/><B>The ideal human doesn't exist except as a concept. God too is a concept. The ideal human concept is not homosexual. I think you understand what I mean.</B><BR/>I think I do. I think that's wrong. There really isn't an 'ideal human concept'. It actually varies from culture to culture. <BR/><B>I also think you are deliberatly not thinking too deeply about the normal sexual behaviour of teenage boys and the consequences of sanctioning it.</B><BR/>'Monkey see, monkey do'? Don't really agree w/that either. Fact is, there's a large gay population DESPITE the 'norm'. Can you say 'slippery slope'? Of course, not a child psychologist. There's some mimicry, but from your prior statements, I'd say you infer there's a 'natural aversion' anyways, right?<BR/><B>Glad to here that our army of peculiar people will be up to the task. History has shown that this has not been the case before however I think we can muster enough strength to push the red button.</B><BR/>??? Such as? Let's hope against hope, no red button will be necessary.<BR/><B>Also think back to my spaceship. Imagine if we only choose homosexuals of both sexes. What a gay, bitchin' time that will be on the trip to Andromeda.</B><BR/>Depends on whether or not the ship is FTL, or requires the passengers to be in stasis.<BR/>Don't forget your tinfoil hat there. ;)<BR/>Anyways, do the research. Nature is too wide & varied to be pigeonholed w/'either/or' hypothoses.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160251069450748822006-10-07T15:57:00.000-04:002006-10-07T15:57:00.000-04:00I do believe the Romans wiped the clocks of those ...I do believe the Romans wiped the clocks of those effeminate Greeks. Indeed the early Romans thought the Greeks were a lot of gay boys .Unfortunately the Romans later adopted dubious Greek attitudes and their strength was sapped. Say hello to the Huns and Visigoths boys.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160249416823489672006-10-07T15:30:00.000-04:002006-10-07T15:30:00.000-04:00The ideal human doesn't exist except as a concept....The ideal human doesn't exist except as a concept. God too is a concept. The ideal human concept is not homosexual. I think you understand what I mean.<BR/><BR/>I also think you are deliberatly not thinking too deeply about the normal sexual behaviour of teenage boys and the consequences of sanctioning it.<BR/><BR/>Glad to here that our army of peculiar people will be up to the task. History has shown that this has not been the case before however I think we can muster enough strength to push the red button.<BR/><BR/>Also think back to my spaceship. Imagine if we only choose homosexuals of both sexes. What a gay, bitchin' time that will be on the trip to Andromeda.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160248943107933582006-10-07T15:22:00.000-04:002006-10-07T15:22:00.000-04:00AA:My concern is largely with teenage boys preying...AA:<BR/><B>My concern is largely with teenage boys preying on pre-teens. The teenagers may not be real homosexuals but they can easily indulge in homosexual behaviour.</B><BR/>Hey, that's up to the parents to deal with. We can't just deep-six a behavior because there might be some fall-out.<BR/>Wait: are you using the old 'think of the children' routine?<BR/><B>By pure I mean in a conceptual way. Like God is pure.</B><BR/>Who? Oh, <I>that</I> non-existent being? Feh. I go w/, if it ain't w/in the purview of my 5 senses, it's a fantasy.<BR/><B>Crocodilian/reptilian – you know what I mean! Anyay, 21st century humans have evolved the memes way beyond the caveman. We have insight, knowledge, all that good stuff. Just because a caveman will give you a good buggering don’t make it right.</B><BR/>I was using evolution to illustrate my point. Right? By whose standards? <BR/>Here's another little caveat: try the old Asian pearls-on-a-string trick. I hear it's explosive. If evolution pre-empts anything anal, why does that little diddly do so much? ;)<BR/>Anyways, my point stands: it's not unnatural. The aversion is a learned reflex.<BR/><B>And what about my last point about the army of darkness</B><BR/>Oooohhh, I see. You're laboring under the misperception that being gay & effeminate weakens the individual.<BR/>Again, incorrect.<BR/>The Athenian army, for instance, was composed of homosexual soldiers. Who's gonna fight harder - you're slicing up someone's lover.<BR/>Also, the katoey (ladyboys) of Siam are, as I understand it, prone to violence.<BR/>People are people, gay or straight. Just because someone's gay, doesn't mean they won't fight for their own survival, like a cornered raccoon.<BR/>You're 'army of darkness' is another topic altogether.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160247647269171842006-10-07T15:00:00.000-04:002006-10-07T15:00:00.000-04:00My concern is largely with teenage boys preying on...My concern is largely with teenage boys preying on pre-teens. The teenagers may not be real homosexuals but they can easily indulge in homosexual behaviour.<BR/><BR/>By pure I mean in a conceptual way. Like God is pure.<BR/><BR/>Crocodilian/reptilian – you know what I mean! Anyay, 21st century humans have evolved the memes way beyond the caveman. We have insight, knowledge, all that good stuff. Just because a caveman will give you a good buggering don’t make it right.<BR/><BR/>And what about my last point about the army of darknessAngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160246951728737832006-10-07T14:49:00.000-04:002006-10-07T14:49:00.000-04:00Oops - meant 'catalogued' not 'catalogues'. My bad...Oops - meant 'catalogued' not 'catalogues'. My bad.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160246884336435262006-10-07T14:48:00.000-04:002006-10-07T14:48:00.000-04:00AA:Nice save there Ka. OK we both lose or is that ...AA:<BR/><B>Nice save there Ka. OK we both lose or is that a draw on that point?</B><BR/>Hey, it was an honest opinion. We can call it a draw: my ego's pretty sturdy.<BR/><B>I think you are misinterpreting my ”less than ideal” statement. I mean it in the pure sense.</B><BR/>'Pure'? Name anything that is.<BR/><B>For example you could say when looking at a computer that you have just repaired and smoke is coming out of it that the fix was “less than ideal” or “pretty average” – this is not how I mean it. More like parents discussing the behaviour of their son and describing it as “less than ideal”.</B><BR/>It's a fair analogy, but we're talking about natural organisms, not machines. <BR/>It's only 'less than ideal' in a cultural sense, way I see it.<BR/>For the record (again) - I used to think the same way you do. That is, until I started researching the subject. <BR/>Boy, was I wrong.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160246519040841732006-10-07T14:41:00.000-04:002006-10-07T14:41:00.000-04:00AA:Firstly this thread is discussing homosexual be...AA:<BR/><B>Firstly this thread is discussing homosexual behaviour and attitudes so it is important, as it is the topic. I thought Mad Zionist got roughly treated in previous discussions so I thought it would be interesting to rush in to his defence as a representative of the religious atheist militant wing. </B><BR/>He got roughly treated because he brought little to the discussion other than testesterone chest-pounding.<BR/><B>Secondly, several times in my life I have been accused of being a ‘homo’. When I was 12 I revealed to a friend that I had been mildly abused by an older boy when I was younger and he, of course, told everyone in the school. From then on I was known as the ‘homo’. For a boy who was very much a boy, into hunting and fishing and war and stuff this was a bit harsh. Later as a teenager I had a very close friend and we spent a lot of time together talking, hiking, fishing and talking about girls. We used to attend church youth camps and things and one day I heard a girl say, “here come the homo’s”. For a boy who was very interested in getting a girlfriend this was a bit harsh. So maybe it’s personal. But, hey, “what does not kill me makes me stronger”. </B><BR/>So have I. For different reasons. Mostly due to being ‘the odd man out’.<BR/><B>I have a problem with homosexuality because young men often have great difficulty getting even to first base in heterosexual relationships and the easiest sexual activity can sometimes be got through other boys. If homosexuality is encouraged by society I think a lot of boys will be damaged and preyed upon because they are super vulnerable at a time of heightened sexuality and regular rejection. </B><BR/>This is just inherent to any predator, regardless of sexuality. Again, worship of innocence & kids. I live in the S.F Bay area, & from what I’ve garnered, most gays out here won’t even go <I> near</I> someone under the age of 21.<BR/><B>Thirdly, I believe that the repulsive feelings heterosexuals have for homosexuality is instinctive. Deep down the crocodilian core of the brain knows it is the wrong path to maximum fertility and is ‘normally’ repelled by it. When I think about cuddling another man I just feel yeeeh. Yet I could, before I married, do all sorts of dirty stuff with a comely young lady even if she was a complete stranger. I know not everyone feels this way and why should they? Well the reason is because humans, being rational beings, understand the underlying reason for sexual behaviour is reproduction – the crocodile has always known this instinctively. Healthy individuals are tricked by chemical processes in the body to react to stimuli in order to engage in reproductive behaviour – even your Granny knows this is a healthy trait. So when a man and women connect and make a family it is indeed an occasion for celebration. </B><BR/>See, you’ve got so much of this wrong.<BR/>1st off, it’s the REPTILIAN hindbrain. It’s the part of the human brain that avoids pain and seeks pleasure, what you’re describing is a function of the neo-mammalian brain. I think Jason’s got it backwards: our aversion to a completely natural behavior is a learned reflex. There’s been 450 species catalogues as indulging in homosexual behavior: from the birds to the bees, even to the bonobos chimpanzees (all respect to Tony Bennet notwithstanding). Prior to the Judeo-xtian ethic being imposed on civilization, same-sex unions were recognized, from the Americas thru Europe, even in Asia. Transgeneration was never an issue until that, either. I can prove that, if you like: but go look it up, don’t take my word for it.<BR/>This is what I mean by ill-informed. NOBODY CARED, until the xtians came along, & demanded their ‘normative behavior’. <BR/>Evolution doesn’t ‘think’: “Hey, this is how it should be.” Evolution just is. <BR/>Sure, sex is primarily about reproduction. But again, this isn’t a linear progression, nor is it an exclusive one. <BR/>& for the record, I don't think most cavemen gave a rat's fart in a whirlwind: when every moment is a battle for survival, you take your pleasures where you can. Likelihood is, when someone bent over, the chance was taken.<BR/>Crude, I grant you, but to the point.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1160245787725182102006-10-07T14:29:00.000-04:002006-10-07T14:29:00.000-04:00Nice save there Ka. OK we both lose or is that a d...Nice save there Ka. OK we both lose or is that a draw on that point?<BR/><BR/>I think you are misinterpreting my ”less than ideal” statement. I mean it in the pure sense. For example you could say when looking at a computer that you have just repaired and smoke is coming out of it that the fix was “less than ideal” or “pretty average” – this is not how I mean it. More like parents discussing the behaviour of their son and describing it as “less than ideal”.AngloAmerikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002362092073890146noreply@blogger.com