tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post116407663044901973..comments2023-10-20T05:48:35.458-04:00Comments on THE ATHEIST JEW: Response To Penn And Teller's Bible VideoUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-56193185443809325972007-01-29T11:46:00.000-05:002007-01-29T11:46:00.000-05:00He/She never said anything about Exodus 35:2 "For ...He/She never said anything about Exodus 35:2 "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death." He/She obviously skipped that, because this is bullshit.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16391965125521262796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1167605740871976192006-12-31T17:55:00.000-05:002006-12-31T17:55:00.000-05:00Im an atheist and I do have some rebuttals (mainly...Im an atheist and I do have some rebuttals (mainly in the form of questions) to the specific arguments in the article. I will limit myself to the Noah’s ark myth.<BR/><BR/>Was the water surrounding the earth salt water or fresh water? The answer will limit the ability of the survival of both amphibians and fresh water fish species, with very narrow tolerances to salinity. <BR/><BR/>When you release the animals from the ark how do you stop the lions eating the single "kind" of antelope and ruining the whole plan, repeat ad infinitum. Or do you just get them to eat the lovely damp grass.<BR/><BR/>The 4000 years that have passed since the ark is not enough time to turn the single "kind" in several species. The massive amount of dog sub species has only been created by human breeding programmes. Artificial selection was used to make already useful dogs even more useful.<BR/><BR/>I believe in evolution but if you believe in the "kind's separate into species" idea you believe in more evolution than I do. For example if Noah took only one species of possum there is not enough time for the on "kind" of possum to split into all the kinds found today (fully 60-65 species) far to much adaptation to be explained away! <BR/><BR/>Im not actually too sure what a kind is, and I’ve looked into it! Some would assume it fits the level of Genus in the Linnaean taxonomic system others feel it resembles the Family or maybe even Order level. I tend to believe it is deliberately ambiguous in order to make my job of calling creationists to account over their figures harder. Please someone finally give me an answer what does it mean. There are 7 basic levels and several sublevels, choose one and stick to it.<BR/><BR/>Where did the water come from and go to? If it came from a canopy surrounding the earth (Kent Hovind theory) how did all the animals adapt to the change in pressure that removal of the canopy would cause. Secondly there is no peer-reviewed evidence for a canopy of water (in any form) surrounding the earth. Not in quantities enough to flood the earth deeper than Everest.<BR/><BR/> If the water came from the "fountains of the deep" (underground caverns filled with water) what filled those caverns? Magma? The resulting tectonic activity would be very dangerous and unpredictable. I do not care to think what would happen. <BR/><BR/>If the water did appear the tidal activity would destroy many plant species, as would the aforementioned salinity which would destroy many tree species. European mainland oak and beech species which I have studies are not tolerant of salt at all, as they live in areas of moving ground water i.e. steep slopes etc...<BR/><BR/>In addition, coral species require light from the sun. If the water gets too deep it damages the coral as sunlight can only permeate to certain depths. Some scientists believe that a rise in water levels of a few feet could damage corals. Not to mention the effects of increased pressure on fixed bottom species of soft bodied corals and sponges and the species that live amongst them.<BR/><BR/>Dendrochronology shows no evidence of a global flood. All wood rings of 4000 years old would show the dateline for the flood and subsequent datelines of abnormal growth worldwide. There is no such consensus among ancient tree and wood samples. <BR/><BR/>To all Christians, <BR/><BR/>There is plenty of evidence of local flooding in the bible lands. The bible was written by humans and that area is the whole world to them (they didn’t know about Madagascar which holds a full 5% of all species on earth of any of Australasia or Asia, America) our understanding of the world does not fit with theirs, it is much grander. Believe in the bible as a literal tale if you wish but many Christians believe that the local flood is more probable. Personally I think the idea of a man saving his family livestock and other belonging from a local flood is more credible. It’s better to have a belief that opens the doors to your religion to others and doesn’t shut them out if they question the validity of the documents. Your insistence for belief in archaic myth is barring the church to rational thinkers and can make people (quite rightly) question their own belief.<BR/><BR/>The above comments are hurried, I would love to talk about this more and given time I could produce a detailed destruction of the myth and the "evidence" gathered by Kent Hovind, Ted haggard, Ken Ham et al. I hope this has satisfies the anonymous who quite rightly wants us to engage in intelligent conversation. <BR/><BR/>P.S. My great-grandfather was not a fish (he was an engineer), my 185-million-greats grandfather may well have been a lungfish (actually an ancestor who became a lungfish, a chordate water dweller, therefore a….fish) I’m not bothered by that, my great-great grandfather was a fisherman though. Is that cannibalism? Forget it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1165727555540222232006-12-10T00:12:00.000-05:002006-12-10T00:12:00.000-05:00"ka" seems to be the only one on here with a decen..."ka" seems to be the only one on here with a decent response....though i'm still not sure what he means by finding the empty tomb.<BR/><BR/>everyone else does EXACTLY what they hate christians for doing: not responding to the evidence and just making vague statements about things in general.<BR/><BR/>so, "ka", there may be some intelligent conversation to be had with you. the rest of you, well i'll just respond in the same way you all do: "stupid atheists, you think your great-grandfather was a fish! you can't even tell time on a digital watch. bunch of idiotics spouting off at the mouth, acting like you're smart but proven wrong when you speak."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164722344880413512006-11-28T08:59:00.000-05:002006-11-28T08:59:00.000-05:00I love the video, and in fact have seen it before....I love the video, and in fact have seen it before. I linked to it on my website, thanks!<BR/><BR/>Penn and Teller do wonderful work on their show.Red Tulipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546144713477594777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164255901448549112006-11-22T23:25:00.000-05:002006-11-22T23:25:00.000-05:00http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=1858...http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=185806<BR/><BR/>This Australian got angry because Mormons were banging on his door and disturbing him. He flew to SLC and starting going door to door trying to convert them to become Athiest. I gather the Mormons weren't too happy with him.reza santorinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04016399335225400463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164220220726176262006-11-22T13:30:00.000-05:002006-11-22T13:30:00.000-05:00BEAJ- You rock, and while I don't agree with you o...BEAJ- You rock, and while I don't agree with you on so many things, I can forgive you for missing the point about the Torah. But I can't forgive you for wanting to watch OJ. PLEASE! You are too much of a mensch to lower yourself to that level. I'd wish you a happy Thanksgiving but I know you are Canadian so I wish you a Happy Week and lots of LaBatts. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164213228620428672006-11-22T11:33:00.000-05:002006-11-22T11:33:00.000-05:00If you want to see real killer proof of the Penate...If you want to see real killer proof of the Penateuch, read <A HREF="http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/11/samaritan-pentateuch-support-for.html" REL="nofollow">this</A>.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164200387969419152006-11-22T07:59:00.000-05:002006-11-22T07:59:00.000-05:00This yo yo doesn't realize what evidence is and he...This yo yo doesn't realize what evidence is and he thinks the bible is a history book.<BR/>It is mind boggling.Baconeaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11134934827966299989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164176306008462032006-11-22T01:18:00.000-05:002006-11-22T01:18:00.000-05:00Yo, this guy got the part about Apollonius wrong, ...Yo, this guy got the part about Apollonius wrong, Philostratus cribbed off the notes of Damius, Apollonious' disciple. Not to mention that Apollonius lived in the 1st CE, lived approx. 100 yrs (Philo wrote it around 216 CE).<BR/> The thing about the Hyskos actually DEBUNKS the entire exodus. Not to mention this gem:<BR/><B>Keep in mind, many ancient civilizations (especially the Egyptians) didn’t like to record their defeats in battle, let alone allowing a slave force to leave, have an army chase them down and end up dead.</B><BR/>& yet the Hyskos took over Egypt, held it for a 100 years, & were expelled.<BR/>And they can't even find the bleedin' empty tomb. <BR/>These people live in another world. Not this 1, that's for sure.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164141364589928802006-11-21T15:36:00.000-05:002006-11-21T15:36:00.000-05:00This guy is fascinating. The way a freak is fascin...This guy is fascinating. The way a freak is fascinating. He is intelligent,articulate,logical and yet he believes in Noah's ark as fact. I bet he can do mental-backward-somersaults and touch his asshole with his nose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10199920.post-1164091001401935782006-11-21T01:36:00.000-05:002006-11-21T01:36:00.000-05:00Fundamentalists are truly in their own special un...Fundamentalists are truly in their own special universe. Yes, that is catty. This response reeks of dogma, and as wierd as it is to read, I've been confronted with these arguments in person. That's really a freak show. If it's one thing that's not negative about Christian fundamentalists/creationists, is that they certainly have fortitude. One REALLY has to be strong in order to make such empty claims based on little more than conjecture and brainwashing. You've got to stick it out to the end to evangelise the glaringly absurd to the general public. Secondly, the overwhelming *majority* of christians [even the fundies], aren't into explosive accessories and beheadings.<BR/><BR/>On another note, have you seen the Jesus Dress Up page at normalbobsmith.com? Bob Smith even produces and sells a Jesus Dress Up magnet set. <BR/><BR/>I wonder how the author of this "response" would feel about THAT. If you want to get sick one evening, or if you're a masochist, read the HATE MAIL section of Normalbobsmith.com. Freak show. In print.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com