Fisking White Supremacist John De Nugent (Da Nudnick)

Note: This was also published by me on Judeophobe Watch.
The No More Wars For Israel Conference was advertised on every Joooo paranoid site that I know. It was to take place October 12th-14th. Apparently, it did but they were forced to change venues because normal people don't tend to like to associate themselves with Joooo hating paranoid imbeciles. It seems Ron Paul and Jimmy Carter who did get open invitations, had better things to do. LMAO.

Lets see, you advertise an event for months, and you get 10 people brave enough to show how retarded they are to march. Sounds like a huge success to me:) A success is the propaganda the white supremacists are trying to peddle on the internet. Aren't they precious. They are so infantile, they are almost precious, in a demonic sort of sense.


I know Paranoid Putrid Grime (Patrick Grimm) showed up there, but I have yet to verify the picture below is him. But I picture him as looking this way. Whoever it is, the guy looks like a loner, void of life and humor, who chain smokes Camel cigarettes while blaming Joooos for his sorry pathetic lot in life.

Check out these imbeciles below. A couple of these guys must have thought they were going to a Colonel Sanders look-a-like contest.

Now for the real funny part. It seems that whatever was said on Sunday, really bothered Mark Glenn (who is half Lebanese and half whitey). It looks to me like the Vanguard Group of white supremacists may have forgot they were supposed to be in bed with the Muslims during this conference. I decided to copy the letter that PC Apostate put on his website from chief Vanguard Joooo paranoid imbecile, John de Nudnick (Nugent) and of course, add my comments:)

Dear Mark,

This email is in response to your email (below) blasting me, and another by Wendy Campbell blasting white nationists as "unsavory characters" -- after we made this conference happen.
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It doesn't matter that you made it happen. You are unsavory characters. Live with it. I can't believe I agree with Mark Glenn on something:)

The "No More Wars for Israel" conference, with our white nationist help, survived being pitched out of our hotel. Both days on the program were held, and with my help it went out on Internet radio VNN and soon four key speeches from the conference will go out on YouTube. Some will say that the speeches I, Margaret Huffsticker and Stan Hess gave were very important events. One can judge this when the YouTube videos go up tomorrow.
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Some may say that, but most will say you are a Joooo paranoid imbecile.

First, whatever your ironic remarks, my legal name is John de Nugent. I legally changed it from John Nugent in 2004. De Nugent was the original family name for centuries. (Google “Gilbert de Nugent.”)
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Nah, your real name from now on is John de Nudnick.

Secondly, this conference was never yours with which to do exactly as you pleased. The conference was Joe Fields’ from the beginning a year ago, and only after he was defamed and slandered by some who apparently hoped to prevent it from taking place, did you “come on board ship” as a second person organizing the conference. It has always been a duumvirate, a rule of two men. But I think you forgot that. If you object to us white nationists, for fear of the Jews and what they would say, you should have withdrawn from the conference as you threatened to do in an email. Instead, you stayed and then complained throughout.
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Nah, Marky didn't care about what Joooos would say. He never does. He cares what the majority of Americans say about people who are represented by message boards (on VNN) full of people calling blacks "nigger" every chance they get.

Thirdly, Willis Carto, who runs your newspaper columns,and Joe Fields are white nationists just as I am. And without us white nationists, there would have been no conference. Without our money, our mailing lists, our activists and our speakers the conference would have collapsed.
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Without you de Nudnick, they might have only had two people marching instead of 10. Pat yourself on the back.

And without me, there would have been no Sunday session location at all, and no chairs or food either for the crowd at the nine-hour-long (and wonderful) Sunday session, after Jew pressure drove us into that industrial park and its ballroom, with no restaurants nearby. I organized the massive “17-pizza expedition,” hustling around personally, taking pizza orders and collecting funds -- and please assure Hesham Tillawi there was no Pepperoni Pizza Plot to bring back pork-containing pepperoni!
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This is fricken hilarious stuff. You can't make this stuff up.


Fourthly, without us white nationists, you would have gotten no publicity at all. The major media ignored the conference -- as I knew they would, based on 30 years of my own anti-Zionist experience, which you do not have.
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Hahahaha. I'm cracking up now.

Now I note that your friend Wendy Campbell, who spoke at the conference and attended along with her very Jewish-named, Jewish-acting and Jewish-looking friend Mark Green, has now put out her own "for fear of the Jews" reference to us white nationists at the conference as "unsavory characters."
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Yeah, I'm sure Mark Green is a Joooo. There is a Joooo under your bed too:)

In fact, she did so several times, and when drunk at the hospitality suite she also reiterated to one and all how much she despises us white nationists.
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Why should you be shocked that people hate you? Buy a clue. Sounds like you are just pissed because she was drunk and you couldn't get her tongue down your throat.

My question is this: Are white nationists unsavory for you, too? I note that you received a check for $3,000 from Willis Carto for the conference. I assume his money was not unsavory.
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Maybe Marky is using you. Maybe Marky is a Joooo too. HAHAHAHAHA

I further note that you, with Lebanese ancestry, support the Lebanese and other Arabic peoples. Do we have your permission to likewise support our European and European-American peoples? Or is only OUR nationism as whites "unsavory," but yours is okay?
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You don't support Marky Glenn being a mud. C'mon, be honest. His parents got together because of the Joooos according to you. The Joooos made it possible for whitey to marry non whites. Marky is on to you. You don't like him as much as he doesn't like you.

Fifthly, I proposed to you on October 8th in response to your complaints (see my email below!) that we white nationists -- who were the bulk of the attendees and supporters -- hold a separate conference on Sunday -- and that the "No More Wars for Israel" conference distinctly end on Saturday night.
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Yeah, but that wasn't the original deal. You welshed. Maybe you are a Joooo too.

You rejected my common-sense proposal. Why? In response to your attack, my proposal is to be found below.
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Again, Marky knew that certain blacks and Arabs who support his cause were very aware of who you are and what you represent.

Even though you did not even answer my email, I still tailored my speech, and Stan Hess his, to your need for ethnic inclusivity. Once again, we whites have bent over backward to accommodate others.
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It must be hard for you to piggyback the Muslims who hate Jews. Bending over backwards sounds very painful.

----------------our opening remarks on YouTube videos

Here is the footage (still raw and unedited) of the first third of my and Margaret Huffstickler's speeches. (The full versions should be up tomorrow of all four final speeches -- mine, Margaret's, Stan Hess' and Joe Fields' -- on YouTube.)

John de Nugent's speech video – raw footage of first third:
NOT “white supremacist” in tone but inclusive, just as I pledged to you, Mark.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkAPV-uXlsQ
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de Nudnick, I have nothing against gays, but you have to be gay. It is so apparent.
I love the juvenile analogy: People are born insane, here is an insane brain, this is proof that all Joooos are born insane. What a riot. Oh, and have you ever been arrested at a truck stop washroom in your life, you must have.

Margaret Huffstickler's speech video – raw footage of first third;
NOT “white supremacist” in tone but inclusive, as I promised you, Mark Glenn.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xb8e4gKPVaI

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She is just as vile looking on the outside as she is on the inside. Did she really say the German people of World War 2 are just like the Palestinians....classic. Haha. Oh, and of course, Jews were never even in Europe so how could they have died in the Holocaust. And she expects anyone other than a Joooo paranoid imbecile to take her serious.
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The conference succeeded despite Jewish machinations -- to a huge extent because of the hard work of white nationists.

Joe Fields, who originated the conference, and who did an enormous amount of work for it, would not let you remove white nationists from the speakers list. Margaret Huffstickler, I and Stan Hess were among the first ones to commit to Joe's conference, long before you were in the picture, and that was back when he was still being actively defamed and character-assassinated. We stand by our friends, Mark.
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It isn't character assassination, it is the truth. Mark was just being nice.

I, Margaret Huffstickler and Stan Hess kept our word that I gave to you, and gave speeches at the conference -- which you had already walked out of -- that were multiracial in their appeal and were extremely well-received. I praised Muslim and Arabic peoples in the very beginning of my remarks, and saluted attendees of African-American heritage. I bent over backward to accommodate your demands.
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There you go with the bending over backwards stuff. Why is that bending? Either you sincerely mean it or you don't. By bending over backwards, you really mean "being deceitful."

But here is the greater context:

First, Israel -- the miscreant targeted by this conference -- is all Jews in the world. The “State of Israel” is just one part of Israel, one political entity and segment, because Israel is the Jewish people everywhere. The most sacred Jewish prayer on the High Holy Days is “Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy god is one God.” All Jews are thus Israel, all Jews are self-proclaimed Israelites, and my speech addressed that entire Israel.
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I don't think Marky disagrees with you there. Are atheist Jews who don't believe in God part of all of Israel too? It is a bit confusing to me.

Secondly, we white nationists have all marched for the Palestinians, written articles for the oppressed Arabs and I myself have even been a member of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and sent them money. As a white man, I have supported your people.
But is there any reciprocity? Any Arab support for us whites? We whites are truly the Palestinians of North America and Europe. We are crushed in our own homelands, forbidden to speak, ethnically cleansed from the streets of our cities, suburbs, towns and villages everywhere, dying out through a Jew-promoted depression of our birth rate, through abortion, homosexuality, white guilt and the general fear whites have that their kids will have no future as whites -- or can be happy, or be raised to be well-behaved in a Jewish cultural cesspool. Your Arabic peoples are at least not dying out; only we whites are.
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Dude, didn't the white man ethnically clean the Native Indians and take their land.
And isn't Marky Glenn helping kill off your white people. He is a mud, and has lots of mud kiddies now, and many will marry whites. Hahaha. Oh yeah, I forgot that the Joooos made it possible for Marky Glenn's parents to marry. (I'm cracking up again)


All this is the work of the same Jew who oppresses and commits genocide on your people. Yet for fear of the Jews you condemn me, your staunch ally who helped save this conference to which your name was attached.
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Marky doesn't fear Joooos. Try another excuse.

The Dalai Lama just was honored at the White House and said: "If things do not change, we Tibetans will become an insignificant minority in our own country." That is what we whites face in every single white country -- that the Jews are slowly killing us off psychologically -- and soon, as in South Africa and as the Bolsheviks did in Russia to the tune of 40 million, they will begin killing us off physically as individuals and then en masse, by the millions. We are facing genocide. We are the Palestinians of our own homelands. Do you, Mark, care about US -- as we care about YOU?
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Sounds like you need a KleenX to wipe tears from your eyes. Oh, and you care about the Palestinians only because they have the same enemy as you. You don't give a rats ass about them. Who are you kidding. Oh, and I hope you read this, and I kill you off a little more "psychologically," you pathetic imbecile.

Or do we whites exist only as paying fodder and attendee fodder for your apparent dream of an Arab-agenda conference – which the Jewsmedia, predictably, did not cover in any case?
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Nobody covered it. Not even Al Jazeera.

As a very fine young white nationist, Evan Thomas, who attended the AFP/TBR conference last year, said to me: “I would like to see some reciprocity from the Arabic side for our support of the Arabs.”
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Many of the Muslims that you love want to have a mosque on every street corner in the USA, doncha know?

Now, as you know, the most famous white nationist in the world is currently David Duke, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran both invited him to Teheran for the Holocaust revisionist conference, and then publicly shook hands with him, and met also privately with him for several hours.

Duke's remarks have been carried by the Iranian news media, and also by Syrian radio and TV. Are you a wiser figure than President Ahmadinejad of Iran or President Assad of Syria?
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Yeah, you two with the people who gobbled up the 17 pizzas are as big as Iran and Syria put together....hee hee hee.

For fear of the Jews, you tell me that we white nationists may not speak -- just support "my" conference to the hilt. And there you are forgetting again: without Joe and Willis and others such as I and Stan Hess, there would have been no conference, and without me there would have been no second day at all.
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You da man. It doesn't mean you aren't a puke, just because you think you were responsible for the conference to keep going.

Don’t you see that you are unconsciously echoing the Jews themselves? You say that white nationists shall have no voice -- just pay up, shut up, and support other races in their liberation struggle. As usual.
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Yep. Roses are red, violets are bluish, this whole fricken world, has already turned Jooooish.

That mentality ended at this conference. And the best speeches, by general consent, were by us white nationists and the black nationists, especially by “Sister Mickie” (Joadiah Hunter). Of course, you walked out and missed them all.
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Did you fantasize bout doin da sista?, or maybe da sista's bro.

The whole Sunday session -- half the conference -- was saved, frankly, by me getting that ballroom with the help of another white nationist from VNN, Mark Knop. (By the way, VNN is not a group but “Vanguard News Network.” They had every legitimate right to cover the conference -- as a news and discussion organization.)
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Again, it doesn't matter, you are still a puke, and even Mark (the puke) Glenn knows it.

I spent about $40 on cell phone calls to various hotels and meeting places to save the conference, and $100 myself on chairs and then on their removal afterward. I and Margaret have lost about $1,500, sacrificed for the good of this conference -- because Joe Fields and Mike Piper both asked, just days before the conference, that we do come out and speak.
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You lost money? Where? Did you hit the race tracks, or you don't like race tracks because they have the word "race" in it?

The Jews were going to try to shut down and to blast the conference no matter who the speakers were, because:
--one, you wrote a book No Beauty in the Beast, ripping the Jews to shreds (and a great book it is!);
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Humankind tried to shut down the conference. Not just the Joooos (still I see no evidence it was the Joooos) Curtis Shmaynard of Chris Wombat commented in their Joooo paranoid way that cops were Zionists in disguise. Yeah, I really read that on the PC Apostate web site. Unbelievable!

--two, you write for Willis Carto publications such as American Free Press AND The Barnes Review, and attended Willis' AFP/Barnes Review conference last year (where you also bravely spoke up against Neturei Karta hypocrisy about the Talmud);
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Marky hates all Joooos just like you, he just wants a Mosque on every street corner on this planet, and you and I don't.

--and three, Joe Fields was involved from the get-go.

This conference had "white nationist" and "anti-Jewish" written all over it from the beginning.
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It was supposed to be anti-Jooooish. What word of No More Wars For Israel don't you understand?

Don't blame us for what the Jews do TO us. And I am surprised that you, a Christian, Mark, would call me (below) an ”SOB.” We white people built this country, and without us whites in America and Russia rising again your Arab cause will never succeed. The Arabs outnumber the Israelis over 40 to 1 and still Israel exists. You will also see how the coming Chinese superpower allies itself more and more openly with the Jews.
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Ah, this makes me so sad:) I'm not sure Mark is a Christian though. I think he might be a Muslim pretending to be a Christian. Lots of internet circus freaks do this. They use anglo names and pretend to be whitey.

The only powerful group that can and will stop the Jews is the people of European heritage, with their one billion population, their immense wealth, their creative genius and their matchless courage, all proved over the course of thousands of years of great achievements, and shown most of all by Germany.
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Most white people like Joooos, but most importantly, they laugh at paranoid freaks like you.

Mark, we whites do not exist any more as objects for others to use, whether to be used by allies or by enemies; that is over.
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Oh c'mon now. It is OK for you to use the Muslims, but they can't use you?

We have our own proud identity and we will prevail. Again, you should have accepted my polite, respectful and well thought-out proposal to end the "merely anti-Zionist" conference on Saturday evening -- and make a separate conference on Sunday with a different name, different signs at the podium, a different moderator and different speakers. You did not even respond to my email. And now you complain.
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You wanted to change midway through. That is not ethical. Don't you white supremacists have any ethics?

Next time you can have your own conference, which will be the umpteenth conference without any impact of the peaceniks and the Arab-Americans, and which the Jewsmedia will ignore, downplay or defame. You saw yourself a few months ago how pitifully small the Arab-American protest on the Mall in Washington was. Your Arab-Americans need us whites to join you. But not as Generic Americans, as “white, non-Hispanics”; we are European-Americans, we are proud, and with the help of my leadership we are now organizing.
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Oh, and this one was any better than a Mall protest? Hahahahaha

I marched just a few weeks ago here in Washington in another anti-war rally, and the media did not even mention it. We marched by our thousands through empty streets, past empty government buildings, with only Mexican construction workers looking on in blasé incomprehension. Not a word in the Washington com-Post. 
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Keep marching dude maybe someone will eventually notice. HAHAHAHAHA

And that is all the publicity – zip, nada, nothing – your vision of a "No More Wars for Israel” conference would have gotten without us white nationists. Your dream of CNN coming to cover you was unrealistic from the start. It is clear that, after only a few years in the anti-Zionist cause, you lack experience of how things really operate in the Jew-wars. The Jews always defame -- or they ignore, unless they decide to sabotage, railroad and assassinate. And now I am plunging – politically, directly -- into that hell for all of us, with you taking potshots from the side, for fear of the Jews.
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Dude, I thought this whole thing was organized by white supremacists, now you are blaming Mark's inexperience on the fact the media missed it. Couldn't your 30 YEARS OF ANTI-ZIONIST KNOWLEDGE come in handy at all?????? You are now admitting that you were freeloading Mark's event. Do you realize how stupid this makes you for your other comments? All this does is prove that you can't accept responsibility when things fail. You invent scapegoats, usually the Joooos but in this case Mark Glenn.

The real problem was that you -- who are half-white through your father but favor only your Arabic side -- and Joe Fields, who is all-white and is a white nationist, have two very different agendas. I solved that problem of the two agendas with my proposal for two different conferences, and I saved the Sunday session by getting the ballroom, food and chairs. And, through YouTube, and my camera people, NMWFI conference speeches will go out on the Internet to thousands and perhaps some day, to millions.
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Maybe even billions.

Without my help, and help from other white nationists such as my friend Pete Papaheraklis, who talked with his fellow Greeks to get the church for Saturday's session, the Jews would be chortling today online about how they “shut us down.” Well, they didn't, Mark. We beat them.
Hesham Tellawi wanted to cancel the whole conference. Joe Fields said no. He took a firm stand. We showed backbone. We white nationists were right; the conference went on; and the Jews failed.
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Most Joooos don't even know there was a conference, and they don't care that there was. "The Jews failed" ???????? At what? No evidence the Joooos tried to shut it down. I didn't get any notification of the event from Organized Jewry Headquarters either. Nobody gave a crap except for maybe a few.

Rather than rip into allies, such as me and Joe, you should rip into the Jews who made us all miserable, and always will until we prevail through united struggle. I called them in my speech fearlessly what they are, the Eternal Jew. And the Jew’s main goal is self-censorship, that we censor ourselves out of fear.
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I'm glad you are miserable. The reason you feel censored is because you have no audience. It is because humanity has outgrown your insanity and childish mentality. BTW, lots of people on this planet don't feel miserable. Maybe you just need a good anti-depressant.

Mark, you are, unconsciously, taking the Jewish position, which is that white nationists should have no right to speak -- "for fear of the Jews."
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It is common humanity that realizes your cause is putrid and vile. It is common of most humans, not only Joooos.

But as I said in my speech -- and it, Margaret's speech, Stan Hess's and Joe Fields’ are all going up tomorrow on YouTube -- without the white giant arising from his slumber, your Arabic world is also doomed. We white nationists are the key to saving both our and your people. And we white nationists will arouse our sleeping white brothers -- one billion white people -- against our common foe, the monster of Zionism. Once you simmer down, you will probably reflect on the continuing need for a white-Arabic/Muslim strategic alliance of reason. But the alliance cannot be one-way.
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We were friends, and I intensely admired your courage and your excellent writings, and we have exchanged many friendly emails. I hope we can again be friends, or at least stay allies. But if you attack white nationists, you are biting the hand that feeds you -- and forgetting what I said in my speech: The white nationist movement is the only hope for the world’s liberation from the enemy of all peoples and races, Talmudic Zionism.

Love and kisses

John de Nugent

P.S. I am going to post my version of events on Stormfront, VNN, Liberty Forum and on my own website as soon as it goes up. I hope that I will not need to fire back any further. After all, Mark Glenn, you did hundreds of hours of great work for this conference, and I thank you for all your work and all your many important sacrifices of time, money, anguish and sleep. Join the crowd..... You have now gotten your "Purple Heart" as I did 30 years ago when I was nearly murdered in the Marines, nearly thrown over a warship at night, for my stance.
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I'd love to hear the real story behind your near death experience.

I was planning, Mark, to only say that “some Arab-Americans walked out in protest against VNN radio carrying the conference live.” I was not planning to write in anger against you for attacking me and calling me an “SOB” in the email below.
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SOB is just Marky being polite.

As for Hesham Tillawi, whom I have always appreciated, he needs to be careful what speculation he spreads. When I collected money for the rent on the ballroom, I had to put $42 of my own money in the kitty to get the $500 together to pay for the ballroom where you and he sat and enjoyed the speeches -- on the chairs and at the venue I made possible. It was also my own appeal by phone Saturday to my own supporter in Canada that got us the first $500 toward the total $1,000 ballroom bill. Remember, had I and my fellow white nationists not pitched in, the ADL and Morris Dees would be crowing today: "The conference by the Jew-hating Lebanese-American Mark Glenn was shut down when every hotel refused to take them in." That is the gloating remark I helped prevent, which also made you look good. They will always defame you, Mark, but they can never say your conference failed to come off.
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$42 bucks of your own money. I thought it was a Jooooish trait to county your pennies like that. Are you sure you aren't a Joooo Mr. da Nudnick?, I'll ask again.

In any case, by walking out on the conference Sunday night, you showed successfully to one and all that you do not support the cause of white survival and that you distance yourself from our Cause -- to reduce heat on you from the Jews. You had your successful two-day conference AND you had your walkout to boot to show you do not support us, though we support you. Let's keep on, however, as allies, despite this inevitable friction between your view and ours -- and your refusal to permit two separate conferences to go ahead, which would have met all your own demands.
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Man oh man, the whining by you is pathetic. You sound like a jilted lover.

I just now saw that you have issued a statement, dated October 19, acceding to my pre-conference proposal from October 8, recognizing the existence of two separate conferences. As far as I am concerned, your statement saying there were two separate conferences should therefore end our hostilities -- for the sake of the common anti-Zionist cause. And I congratulate you for this wise move. We are two different armies, marching separately, but let us both strike incessantly the hate-filled foe of all mankind, whom the New Testament calls “the synagogue of Satan.”

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Lets get something straight, it is apparent to every intelligent on this planet who the real haters are no matter how much you want to spin it.

Marky Glenn's updated statement:

Statement from the Crescent And Cross Solidarity Movement Concerning Last Weekend's 'No More Wars For Israel' Conference

DISCLAIMER--THE NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL AND CRESCENT AND CROSS WEBSITES ARE THE ONLY OFFICIAL ENTITIES THAT REPRESENT THE CONFERENCE. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY STATEMENTS MADE BY INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS REGARDING THE CONFERENCE. ANYONE WANTING INFORMATION ON THE CONFERENCE SHOULD DIRECT THEIR INQUIERIES TO THE ONLY OFFICIAL EMAIL ADDRESS WHICH IS NOMOREWARSFORISRAEL@YAHOO.COM.
AS FAR AS THE CRESCENT AND CROSS SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT IS CONCERNED, THE NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL CONFERENCE ENDED SATURDAY NIGHT. THE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE ON THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF A DIFFERENT AND NON-ASSOCIATED GROUP.

The No More Wars For Israel conference wrapped up its two-day event in Irvine, California with amazing success. Many activists with diverse orientation from around the US, Canada, and Australia attended the conference originally scheduled to take place at the Marriott Hotel in Irvine but then forced to move to another venue as a result of the hotel canceling the event for what organizers felt was political pressure by the ADL and other pro-Zionist/anti-free speech groups.
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Sounds like a real success Marky. Go beat yourself on the chest some more like your ally da Nudnick.

More pictures of Joooo paranoid imbeciles taken at the conference.

If The New Testament Is Literal, How Do Christians Spin The Following?

I realize that many Christians believe in an allegorical bible, but quite a few, and you know who you are, believe the bible is the literal word of God.

It is this basis that 45% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old and that evolution is a crock, because the bible says that God created the earth and universe in 6 days, and that man was created in the image of God (I still get a chuckle out of their God having an ass and having to go poop at least once a day).

So here are a couple of examples I just don't get:

Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."

From a quick search on the internet I found this for the definition of "closet": Closet
as used in the New Testament, signifies properly a storehouse (Luke 12: 24), and hence a place of privacy and retirement (Matt. 6:6; Luke 12:3).

Why do real Christians pray on TV, or on street corners, or even churches in front of others? Why do many Christians want prayer in schools and government buildings?
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How about this?:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Don't they have women preachers now? I remember seeing one on King of The Hill (Reverend Karen Stroup was voiced by Mary Tyler Moore on one episode). But I'm pretty sure that women are allowed to talk in churches.

Hey wait a second, if the bible actually uses the word churches, why did Matt and Luke use the word "closets" instead. If God really inspired those words, he didn't want anyone praying in churches.

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Here is another very good contradiction. Watch this video on the Fate Of Judas:

The fake blood is a great touch, but I really like the message made by The Blind Watchmaker in the video.


For a lot more contradictions in the Bibles check out the Skeptic's Annotated Bible


God just couldn't make it easy for everyone to understand him, could he?

If I keep this up, I could reclassify myself as a biblical scholar:)

Study: Atheists Rate Lower Than Believers When It Comes To Love, Patience, & Friendship

I read an article published in the National Post. Instead of just giving an overall reaction to it, I feel the need to review it by paragraph:

Athiests put less value on love than believers: study

By Charles Lewis
National Post
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
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Don't you love it, in this day and age of spell check programs, that "atheist" can still be misspelled in a national newspaper? It isn't hard to spell "theist," why is it so difficult to spell "atheist"

A new Canadian survey has found that believers are more likely than atheists to place a higher value on love, patience and friendship, in findings the researcher says could be a warning that Canadians need a religious basis to retain civility in society.
The survey of 1,600 Canadian adults, led by University of Lethbridge professor Reginald Bibby, gave a list of 12 values - from honesty to family life to politeness to generosity - and asked the participants if they found each "very important." In each case, theists ranked the values as more important than atheists.
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The reason for this, suggests Prof. Bibby, a prominent sociologist, is that those who are involved with religious groups are being exposed to a whole range of values that are not being propagated well by any other major source. "To the extent that people are not involved in religious groups ... they're not being exposed to those interpersonal values and they're simply not holding them as strongly," Prof. Bibby said in an interview.
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I don't think many theists go to church that often. So I think there has to be a little more to the answers given than this.

The study says: "To the extent that Canadians are saying good-bye to God, we may find that we pay a significant social price."
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Again, when I believed in God, I wasn't any differently socially than I am now. I've always tended to be a little introverted, but not believing in God didn't change me.
Now, those regular church goers who answered the study may socialize a tad more than non church goers just because they have their church friends. If the social price is interacting with less people because you are missing the interactions with church goers....who cares?

He said people who are believers are encouraged ­- whether by a desire to please God, or because of a fear of God - to adopt these values. "If you don't have that as a major source in the culture then what will be the source? I think that's where we've been really superficial ... we've really been underestimating the contribution religious groups can make." Prof. Bibby describes himself as a believer in God who holds many of the values that the theists in his survey value. But he has no particular religious identity beyond saying he is a Protestant and describes his own family as being secularized. He acknowledged that many non-believers still place a high value on morality and ethics. But he said some of that is a legacy from previous generations who held deeper religious views.

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Bibby is full of it. Here it is again, without religion how can we have morality and ethics??? I've answered this one before on numerous occasions. We evolved a susceptibility to appear moral and ethical, and then even if we think about doing something nasty, the law and fear of prison works just as affectively as the fear of God and hell. Bibby, why are atheists less represented in prisons?

In many families, he said, Grandma is the "symbolic saintly person in the clan."
"So valuing Grandma also means valuing many of the thing important to her. In successive generations you have a lingering effect of morality. But further down the road generations get further removed from the sources of those values. That's where it gets tricky."
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I had a grandmother who was "a saint" but she hardly ever went to synagogue. Older people tend to be more conservative or at least thought of as more conservative and moral. And to my knowledge that hasn't changed because of the higher percentage of atheists and agnostics than from 30-100 years ago.


In the survey findings, there was only a five percentage-point difference between how theists and atheists valued honesty. But of all the categories, honesty is the value that is least connected to broad emotions such as love and compassion. In other words, someone can be honest and brutal.
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If someone scores low on love and compassion they are brutal? I'm starting to sense that atheists are more apt to tell the truth on surveys than theists are.


But in the realm of forgiveness, which is a core value of many major religions, particularly Christianity, the difference - 32 percentage points - is stark.
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Christians preach forgiveness, but how many actually practice it? How many Christians don't give certain friends or family presents at Christmas because the friend or family member did something the present giver didn't like?


"That's a pretty explicit value within a large number of religious communities," said Prof. Bibby.
"Look at the culture as a whole and ask yourself: to what extent do we value forgiveness against themes like zero-tolerance? We don't talk very much about what we're going to do for people who fall through the cracks. So I think forgiveness is pretty foreign to a lot of people if they're not involved in religious groups."
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I think it is pretty retarded to forgive OBL or a serial killer, but that is just me.


The study says that believers will not always translate their views into action but "at least they are inclined to hold the values" and that atheists "do not have as many explicit support groups that are committed to intentionally promoting [a] positive interpersonal life."
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What exactly is positive interpersonal life? Oh, and at least Bibby is admitting that theists don't practice what they preach. Maybe their values are just a bunch of bs.


Religious philosopher and writer C.S. Lewis believed that the inner call to be good comes from a higher power that speaks to conscience. But atheists such as Richard Dawkins, author of the recent best-seller The God Delusion, rejects that idea as nonsense and looks to evolution as the author of morality. Prof. Dawkins believes morality comes through the altruism gene or the "selfish gene" and it is to everyone's benefit and survival that we behave civilly with one another. Among family members, it is a way to protect our own gene pool. "Animals tend to care for, defend, share resources with, warn of danger, or otherwise show altruism towards close kin because of the statistical likelihood that kin will share copies of the same genes," Prof. Dawkins wrote.

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Hey, isn't this what I said. And C.S. Lewis was wrong. How would he explain the altruism seen in animals? Is that from God too? Well then atheists have the same God given altruism too, and you don't need religion to have "values."


Justin Trottier, executive director of the Centre for Inquiry Ontario, a Toronto-based atheist group, thinks the problem with Prof. Bibby's survey is with the definition of values. He said the categories in the survey fit in the mould of the Ten Commandments, so a religious person's enthusiastic response to them is not surprising.
"To me, scientific thinking is a value. Critical thinking is a value. Open inquiry is my biggest value," said Mr. Trottier. "If he made those values - the way atheists would - he would have gotten different responses."

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Trottier is pretty smart.

He said that people should be judged by their actions, not by how they respond to survey questions. A person can claim to be any number of things but the proof is in the pudding. He said his own group, for example, has a sobriety support group, and that many nations that are highly secular do a better job of taking care of their poor than religious ones.
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Don't forget at atheists being underrepresented in jails too.

"Religion tends to be very polarizing, so religious people always feel very passionately about those values. They always feel 'very strongly.' Religion always does this black-and-white thing. An atheist is a lot more temperate, a bit more hesitant. An atheist might be more nuanced in his or her thinking."
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Good points. In other words, an atheist is most likely to base his or her answers on personal experience: an atheist is most likely to give real honest answers. An atheist will answer a morality survey question based on what he or she really thinks, not what he or she thinks God wants us to say.

Update: Excellent piece by Ottawa Citizen's Dan Gardner on the same topic.

Message To Future Canadian Politicians: Don't Try To Blur The Line That Separates Church & State

For the first time in my life I felt the need to vote. Oh, I've always voted, but this time it actually had meaning for me.
Just before 7:00 PM last night, me and the Mrs. walked into the gymnasium of a PUBLIC SCHOOL (now that is symbolic), and saw a security person and 4 people sitting behind desks. We were the only voters in the joint.
I went first, and voted for our Liberal candidate, and I also voted to keep the current system on the referendum issue.
I put my votes in the ballot box and then whispered to my wife who to vote for. She agreed with me 100% on the faith funding issue but she doesn't pay much attention to Party names. We didn't discuss the referendum issue, but I told her to check the first box on that ballot (she usually goes along with anything I say as long as it has nothing to do with sex).
When walking out of the school, even though I had a pretty good idea that the Liberals would get a majority win, and I knew my vote wouldn't matter as far as getting the Liberals to win and the PC's to lose, I actually felt proud and even a little euphoric.
I told my wife as we seated ourselves in the car that we just sent a message to future politicians to not even think about blurring the line that separates church and state.

Yes, I realize we still fund Catholics schools, but at least now it will be much easier to fade out that funding in the next 20 years perhaps. If Tory won, it would be impossible.

Every time I heard Tory say that it is a matter of fairness, my bullshit detector went ballistic. There were three options: the status quo, fund all faith based schools, or fund no faith based schools.
The majority of Ontarians felt the latter was the most fair, but Tory didn't give that as an option.
When voting for a realistic candidate (one with a chance to win), I had two choices: the status quo (the Liberals) or fund all faith based schools (the PCs). Oh, I know that Tory backed down a week ago and said he would have a free vote after a test period, but I just didn't trust him and didn't feel the need to trust him because he didn't back down on what he wanted to do which is fund all faith based schools. I didn't even want this to even be an option in the future.

I did email the PC candidate in my riding a couple of weeks ago to tell him he lost both mine and my wife's vote because of Tory. He emailed me back defending the platform...blah blah blah, bring the 53,000 kids into the public system...I replied telling him that wasn't my major concern. My main concern is separation of church and state, and I also realize that we were not talking just 53,000 kids because what would stop a large amount of kids in the near future from going to faith based schools. Yes, it would create a lot more segregation and take a lot more kids out of the secular system eventually(I don't know why this wasn't made to be a big issue by rival candidates. It makes me wonder just how smart? politicians really are not to be able to see this. Lawyer James Morton figured it out though). I didn't get another email back.

Next, we need a referendum to phase out Catholic school funding in Ontario. We are now closer to that reality.

My 500th Post: Dawkins anti-semitic remark, Pat Condell, and Bye Jake

I can't believe this is my 500th post. This blog has been alive for just around 2 years and 9 months. Quick calculation: I make a blog post once every 2.24 days. Most posts take me around half an hour to compose, though some take 5 to 10 minutes (especially when they are about a certain Youtube video). I've had a few take over an hour to do. Those are the ones that require extra research. I try to cover as many angles and fill as many holes as I can before I post. I learn a lot when I'm doing research. Lots of trivial stuff. I probably could hold my own "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader" by now.

I figure I might as well do some odds and ends since I'm posting today.

First, I wanted to comment on Richard Dawkins recent quote in The Guardian:

"When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told - religious Jews anyway - than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolise American foreign policy as far as many people can see. So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place."

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I have lots of thoughts on this issue, and I have posted most on RichardDawkins.net.
It would be denying reality if one ignored that Dawkins has become the equivalent of a Jerry Falwell for atheists, though not too many atheists including me believe that we need a spokesperson who speaks for all of us, because we all differ so much when it comes to our opinions on crime, state, politics, etc.
But when Dawkins talks, he gets attention. Unfortunately, he is not perfect, as seen by the above quote. He has swallowed the Arab and anti-semitic propaganda about the Jewish lobby. I think it is a cultural thing in Britain, and Dan Johnson agrees with me in this article, "Suppressed Scholarship."
Dawkins apologists on the Dawkins Forum point out that he meant the comment as a compliment. That a small amount Jews are organized enough to monopolize US foreign policy. The thing is that is not a fact, and comments like this have led to dead Jews in the past. That is why it is a bit disturbing that he even thinks it.

From Wikipedia:

Jewish lobby is a term referring to allegations that Jews exercise undue influence in a number of areas, including politics, government, business, the media, academia, popular culture, public policy, international relations, and international finance. [1][2][3] It is used most commonly by the far right, far left, and Islamists.[4]

The expression is commonly associated with antisemitic aspersions.[5] Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, an American research group that tracks right-wing extremists, writes that it combines the classic elements of anti-Semitic stereotyping and scapegoating, and is part of the discourse of conspiracism.[2]

Sometimes the term "Jewish lobby" is being used to refer to Israel lobby,[6][7][8] but according to Mitchell Bard, director of the non-profit American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), such usage "is both vague and inadequate."[9]

History

For centuries, a key element of antisemitic thought were conspiracy theories that the Jews, as a group, were plotting to control or otherwise influence the world. Vijay Prasad described The myth of the "Jewish lobby" in India's magazine Frontline:

The idea of the "Jewish lobby" is attractive because it draws upon at least a few hundred years of anti-Semitic worry about an international conspiracy operated by Jewish financiers to defraud the European and American working poor of their livelihood. The "Jew," without a country, but with a bank, had no loyalty to the nation, no solidarity with fellow citizens. The anti-Semitic document, "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," is a good illustration of this idea. The Nazis stigmatized the "Jew" as the reason for poverty and exploitation, and obscured the role played by capitalism in the reproduction of grief. The six million Jews in the U.S. do not determine U.S. foreign policy; nor are they united. Jews in America, like other communities, are rent with division, not united behind one agenda.[3]

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I am not saying Dawkins is anti-semitic (he is not known for any other anti-semitic slurs), but what he said was anti-semitic, though I blame it on him being a victim of the British culture.
About the Jewish lobby: There are plenty of lobbies in the US that have as much if not more influence on foreign policy than Aipac does. The oil lobby for instance. US foreign policy takes Saudi Arabia and China into consideration way ahead of Israel in my opinion.
What Dawkins said about the Jewish lobby is similar to what Christians say about the Atheist lobby. Think about it. Courts are ruling for gay marriages, against pro-lifers, taking the 10 commandments out of government buildings and prayer and creation out of school. But all these things are happening not because of the Atheist lobby (Dawkins said we need a lobby in the article), but because it makes sense to separate church and state in order to have freedom and freedom of religion too. Common sense makes the laws, not atheists. In fact, common sense makes atheists.
The US supports Israel and does things that appear to help Israel so much because Israel pretty much the same ethical values and goals as the US. Of course, it is a little more complicated than that. The US also supports Israel to keep Israel in check. They try to make sure Israel doesn't respond as the US would respond if the US were in Israel's shoes. This keeps the Saudi lobby content.

Respectful Insolence is a must read if you are still interested in this topic.

I'll also note that one commenter (Tim) was banned because a moderator didn't like the inference that Dawkins might be anti-semitic. Even though it was clear to me that all Tim was saying that what Dawkins said was obviously anti-semitic. What is with moderators? See previous post.
Tim left a comment on my previous post saying that Dawkins did email him back when he inquired about the ban. Dawkins stated that he was misquoted, but there was nothing to back it up according to Tim.

OK, now for some levity. Pat Condell's latest video on the Christian love he has been receiving for his previous videos. Great points about the "historical Jesus" too:


And finally, on a sad note. My "other" dog Jake had to be put down on Saturday.

Jake is the dog on the couch in the above picture.
We took him in almost exactly a year ago. He had very bad back legs. And my brother, who took him in two years previously (because his former owner moved to an Old Folks home), move from a farm to a place with lots of stairs. Jake could barely make 3 steps tops because of his infirmaries. So he was sort of pawned off on us. We have a very good sized main floor with a couple of three step accesses to a very large backyard. He never did see the upstairs of our house.
I never really bonded with Jake, but he loved my wife. He would walk around the house looking for her all the time. Why not? She fed him and took care of him like a king, cooking him and Daisy chicken almost every morning.
He was probably 11ish based on the information I have. On Saturday, he fell right after drinking water in the kitchen. My wife called me, I saw his eyes moving up and down and he wouldn't get up. He couldn't get up. His back legs finally gave out.
My sister in law came over with her friend (who is very knowledgeable about dogs). The friend was pretty sure it wasn't a stroke or a heart attack. We called vets. But in a small town just after noon, it was impossible to get immediate help.
We waited a couple of hours. Jake refused food for the first time ever. He was always like a disposable garbage can when it came to scraps. Instead he threw up a couple of times.
He wasn't improving at all. And he tried to get up but couldn't.
We made the decision to euthanize him. We found an SPCA that was still open though 20 minutes away and lifter him into my brother's truck (he weighed about 90 pounds), in the front seat.
My wife and I were to attend a wedding at 3:00. I told my wife to go without me, I'd make it for the reception. My wife tearfully said goodbye, to Jake and I went with my sister in law and her friend on his final road trip.
They wouldn't let anyone in with him at the SPCA after they took on a stretcher to the death room, which was fine with me (though I wouldn't have minded the option). I don't like watching an animal die. From the front desk at the SPCA I heard Jake bark a few last times. Then I didn't hear anything.
The vet told us that he most likely suffered a blood clot in the hind and that it caused his main functions to shut down. We did the right thing. And remember, this is a long weekend. If we waited, we would have probably had to wait until Tuesday morning.
We took Jakes body back to my house. My wife was back from the wedding and we had a couple of hours to kill before the reception. We spent it digging Jake's grave and then burying him wrapped in one of his favorite blankets.
Bye Jake.