Bill O'Reilly or Brian Rohrbough. It is a toss up. I have to give it to Bill this time because he spoke more than Brian.
First off, what happened to Brian's son was a tragedy. I feel sorry for him. But I really feel sorry for him because he is a retard. And he represents a good chunk of Americans and Canadians.
O'Reilly is equally retarded. He is all pissed at the "Liberal media" for their reaction to the Free Speech segment by Brian on Katie Couric's show.
Sorry Bill, but if someone says something really stupid like Brian said, they should be attacked. If Brian's comments represent the conservative point of view, then conservatives are retards. See how that works Bill. If you want to talk absolutes about the Left Media, then it is fair game to talk absolutes about the Conservative Right.
Just because two kids allegedly perverted the theory of evolution to commit a horrible crime, doesn't mean evolution should be thrown out of school. You don't teach children that a white page is black. But that is what Fundamentalist Christians believe and that is what they want taught in school.
And then Bill said that Brian's comments on evolution were misunderstood. Sorry, but as Brian continued to talk in the video, it was clear they were not. It just wasn't understood how much of a retard Brian was until he explained it fully.
I still can never take Bill seriously when he totally went to bat supporting Bush on the Port's deal. He lost all credibility to me as did Bush.
This wasn't about intolerance as Bill's whining would lead one to believe. It is about making jest of retards and their idiotic belief system.
The Left isn't mad Brian was able to make a fool of himself, and all those who hold his belief on national TV. I imagine the far left are just frustrated that retards like him still walk the earth. I'm frustrated as a centrist.
I'd like to know how Bill would classify me. I'm pretty much a social Liberal, but I think the West should tighten immigration, and I believe that the War on Terror is the number one concern of mankind at this moment.
Back to the illogical argument Brian made: Columbine was 7 years ago. If teaching evolution in school causes children to lose it and shoot up schools, we would see a lot more of it. The Amish tragedy was not caused by evolution being taught in school. His timing on this issue is mind boggling.
Religious morals, ethics and beliefs can be taught at home, and at church. It should be the church and parents that start teaching reality, or fitting in reality with their beliefs, so that children won't be conflicted when they learn reality in science classes. I don't want to live in a world that denies reality.
As far as abortion goes. If parents can't bring up their kids not to be killers, they should really think about abortion in the first four months of fetal development.
I vote for Bill O'Reilly. Call him an assmonkey or an assclown, or just a friggen ass. He needs a date with a 2by4.
ReplyDeleteRohrbough came off like the individual of greater ignorance.
ReplyDeleteHis argument is quite similar to Michael Moore's argument that having a defense contractor in the area made the kids violent. People are simply twisting events to hammer a political agenda.
The comment at the end about Adam and Eve was astonishing. Muslim fundamentalists are raised believing literally in Adam and Eve, so why are a lot of them violent? Rohrbough needs to add more logic to his feelings.
Now, is moral relativism and self-obsession pushed in schools? You bet. Must that be a part of the explanation of the Columbine Massacre? I think so. Evolution is often invalidly used to make such arguments. I've seen science proponents say over and over about how the size of the universe shows how insignificant human life is, how the size and temporal duration of the Grand Canyon shows how everything is meaningless, and so forth. The form of the argument is invalid-- it implies one can say that the existence of Nitrogen proves our lives are meaningless, or the Mississippi River proves human life is insignificant.
With that out the way, is the left intolerant of those that have different beliefs? Definitely. There is nothing wrong with finding things intolerable-- the American founding fathers used the word all of the time. But the modern left preaches how soft, gentle, and tolerant they are, even to the point of defending the Communists autocrats and Muslim theocrats from the big evil insensitive bully that is the United States of America. Now they're going to bash Rohrbough for saying something different and unique? Where did the tolerance and openmindedness go? By criticizing Rohrbough, liberals expose PC multicultural diversity for the sham it is.
Jason, criticizing idiocy is fine no matter who is doing it. Rohrbough is an ignorant bufoon void of logic.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure that insignificance of human is taught as you say it is. A human life being insignificant in the scheme of things is a logical conclusion though. But if you can't handle the facts, don't shoot the messenger. Of course, we can lie in school and then would we be better than the religious states you loathe?
There is plenty of morality taught in school as well as discipline. And if anyone is worried about the conclusions of the facts that science brings to the table, they should deal with it at home, or in a place of worship.
The fact that teaching evolution in school has been linked to one school shooting is just too stupid to even bring up.
"A human life being insignificant in the scheme of things is a logical conclusion though."
ReplyDeleteI challenge you to prove it logically. I know of nothing more valuable than a human life, and any ethical reasoning you can possibly supply will presuppose this intuition. Inferring that human life is worthless from a fact like the universe has a mass greater than a human being is a non sequitur; it is like inferring human life is worthless because sodium reacts violently with water or that the speed of light is a constant.
Depressed, melancholy Gloom and Doom leftists feel human life is worthless. Why? They don't feel at home in the universe-- they feel like misfits. Some were picked on in school, some are ugly, some feel out of place because they're racial and religious minorities, some set too high expectations for themselves and fail-- they think the world has wronged them in some way and hold a grudge against it.
This is a big difference from what was taught by Aristotle: being human is a good thing, so one might as well play the part. Modern leftists resemble St. Paul-- they know the better, but consciously choose the worse. For the Greeks, this irrationality is a property of children, not adults. But as a famous yippie said in the 1960s, "We're gonna be adolescents forever!"
That's why John Stewart is praised as a genius while the works of Thomas Sowell collect dust on bookshelves.
Ugh...I usually avoid watching O'Reilly - my blood pressure usually goes way up. Personally, I'd like to belt the man. Eric Harris (1 of the Columbine duo) was, BTW, an xtian. From a religiously 'intact' home. & hinting at tapes the sheriff won't release? 7 years ipso facto? I like how you pointed out the non sequitor about the Amish shooting.
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I challenge you to prove it logically. I know of nothing more valuable than a human life, and any ethical reasoning you can possibly supply will presuppose this intuition.
Hey, as 1 human to another, yeah, your life, my life, I consider them both valuable. Maybe not your opinion, but that's another matter. But I think BEAJ was talking about the universe. It don't give a rat's fart in a whirlwind.
Depressed, melancholy Gloom and Doom leftists feel human life is worthless.
I'm a leftie, nope, don't think that way at all.
Why? They don't feel at home in the universe-- they feel like misfits. Some were picked on in school, some are ugly, some feel out of place because they're racial and religious minorities, some set too high expectations for themselves and fail-- they think the world has wronged them in some way and hold a grudge against it.
Aye caramba. That SERIOUSLY sounds like what xtians say to us atheists - "Some xtian must've done something really MEAN to you...etc, etc."
Gee, some leftie must've done something really HORRIBLE to you...HAHAHAHAHAHA! Can't keep a straight face, sorry.
Again, I'm a leftie liberal...I feel right at home in this universe, thanks. To the point where I can kick off my shoes, prop my feet, put my hands behind my head, and just laugh.
1 question: do leggos chafe?
I said it could be concluded that our lives are meaningless in the scheme of things. I look at life more like how Dawkins says he looks at it: we are lucky to have been alive even for a brief moment in time.
ReplyDeleteI think it is dangerous and illogical to lump Lefties together. I'm a social lefty, but a political righty and a business righty. I guess that makes me a centrist.
And that brief moment in time could just go on repeating itself for ever - whatever you do now may echo into eternity. Who knows?
ReplyDeleteNooooooooooo! I typed a long comment, and then it disappeared when I posted it. Are you trying to stifle my free speech, Wino? :)
ReplyDeleteOkay, here's the gist of what I said:
What a couple of douchebags. It boggles the mind when people complain about their free speech being "stifled" just because somebody has the audacity to disagree with them. Free speech works both ways, morons -- it means that Brian has the right to say whatever he wants, and it also means that those who disagree with him have the right to criticize him.
Bill's whining about the left "marginalizing" Brian's views is hilarious. Did Bill take issue with someone in the Bush administration comparing those who disagree with the Iraq war to Nazis? Does he take issue with the things Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter say about the left? Somehow, I doubt it.
AA, the odds are that in relation to the universe, we are all more insignificant than a speck of dust on a speck of dust on a speck of dust. But our individual lives have meaning. It is the meaning we give it ourselves.
ReplyDeleteCat, lots of people here don't know me as Wino. (which is short for one of my Yahoo ID names, for those who don't know). Yes, the beauty of free speech is that it works both ways. If assmonkey Brian said Jews should be put in an oven, according to assmonkey Bill, the Left should just let the comments go unchallenged or else they will look like whiners who won't let neo Nazis have their platform.
When someone says something ridiculous as was said by Brian, it should be dealt with severely so that more retards won't be created.
Inside ourselves is contained the entire universe. When we die the universe that was our perception fades entirely away. Time ceases to be perceived and at the point of death all the events that occur afterward reach infinite speed. Everyone and everything dies and the universe expands and retracts an almost infinite number of times in what could be described as a blink of an eye. Suddenly you are back again.
ReplyDeleteYou may be inconsequential but what you have just done is now stuck in time and space for evermore. Isn’t there something permanent about the past? Yesterday cannot be changed no matter how hard you try or how much power you have. It’s a permanent recording in time and space.
This is something that all children should be taught. You can never change the actions of yesterday. You may be forgiven but whatever shameful thing you have done is now stuck in time and space for evermore. What a heavy thing that is – better to follow the path of righteousness. The ancients knew this – we have to learn it all over again.
Ka,
ReplyDeleteTo say that Eric Harris was a Christian is completely wrong, In fact, I doubt you'll find any evidence, except for maybe the fact that his parents attended church, although I'm not sure if they did or not. On the contrary, you might want to look at this.
Harris comments
Look under the March 15th date, about 1/3 down (where it says you can listen to it.)
The quotes are this, however, if you care to take my word:
Eric: "Yeah.. 'I love Jesus! I love Jesus!' -- shut the fuck up!"
Eric: "I would shoot you in the motherfucking head! Go Romans! Thank God they crucified that asshole."
I'd say both of them were either atheists, or hated the god they believed in.
As for evolution, Harris had a perverted view of it, and I'd be surprised if Klebold even cared.
To blame Columbine on evolution is like blaming the Lincoln assassination on the theater show.
Sorry, the link doesn't even work, try this one.
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"Cat, lots of people here don't know me as Wino."
ReplyDeleteYeah, I thought about that as I was hitting the "login and publish" button, but was too pressed for time to go back and make a supplemental comment calling you Bacon. Besides, you will always be Wino to me. :)
flamingo:
ReplyDeleteTo say that Eric Harris was a Christian is completely wrong, In fact, I doubt you'll find any evidence, except for maybe the fact that his parents attended church, although I'm not sure if they did or not. On the contrary, you might want to look at this.
I stand corrected - it was Michael, not Eric:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chu_viol2.htm
Two opposing explanations have been given for the mass murder:
The early media reports of the tragedy appear to have been garbled -- probably because of the rush to meet media deadlines. Unfortunately, it is the initial account which tends to be remembered by the public:
Michael Carneal is a "self-professed atheist"
He occasionally heckled a prayer group as they prayed in the school corridor at their weekly meeting.
He went to school with a stolen handgun and specifically targeted the prayer group; his goal was to kill Christians.
More detailed investigation and interviews showed that:
Michael Carneal came from an intact, religious home.
He was baptized at St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Paducah.
He was confirmed at the same church a few months before the shooting, in 1997-Spring.
According to his minister, he was not an Atheist, He said that the shooting "was the act of a sinful Christian."
"See how that works Bill. If you want to talk absolutes about the Left Media, then it is fair game to talk absolutes about the Conservative Right."
ReplyDeleteWell said.. totally agree. I love blogs that do not tow the party line.
BEAJ,
ReplyDeleteI know this might sound a bit, well, racist, but I've got into a bit of a discussion with a Jew who seems to be somewhat of a Muslim apologist and I'd like to see if you are up for some Jew v's Jew action?
If so, everything you need to know can be found here. We've started on the topic of persecution of Muslims in the UK, done a bit of a dance around several major issues, and now I can sense that they will shortly fall back on how it's all Israels fault, which they have already hinted at. Anyways dude, if you are up for it you are more than welcome to join in.
Ghostwolf, I don't understand people who let a political party define them.
ReplyDeleteO'Reilly does. He made it evident when he supported the Ports Deal.
CD,I commented there. There are a few Jews who become Muslim apologists. Take AtheistMarc Perkel, founder of the Church of Reality. If you look up self hating Jew in the dictionary, you'll find his picture. Check out these posts.
Thanks BEAJ. I remeber Marc from before. I've never been impressed by the grasp on reality of anyone that thinks reality needs a church.
ReplyDeleteI know of nothing more valuable than a human life, and any ethical reasoning you can possibly supply will presuppose this intuition. -Jason H. Bowden
ReplyDeleteJason, I too believe this. Are you aware of the writings of a professor called Julian Simon who promoted population growth as something to be celebrated? His writings are worth googling up.
Simon’s central premise was that people are the ultimate resource. "Human beings," he wrote, "are not just more mouths to feed, but are productive and inventive minds that help find creative solutions to man’s problems, thus leaving us better off over the long run."
I'm only going to be a stickler about one of your sentences. The last one:
ReplyDelete"If parents can't bring up their kids not to be killers, they should really think about abortion in the first four months of fetal development."
People give too much credit/put too much blame on the parents for the whole killing issue. A psychopath who doesn't have conscience enough to care about right from wrong (even though they typically know the difference) is typically going to be that way no matter how they were raised. These people are more or less genetically defective individuals who can be exacerbated by, but are not necessarily created by, a dysfunctional environment.
I know I'm being picky. lol I agree with everything else though. :)
Allie, the last sentence was meant to be ridiculous in an ironic sort of way.
ReplyDeleteAA, we are dealing with a planet that has limited resources. I don't think every sperm is sacred. Most should be flushed down the toilet or run down the shower drain.
Allie:
ReplyDeleteA psychopath who doesn't have conscience enough to care about right from wrong (even though they typically know the difference) is typically going to be that way no matter how they were raised. These people are more or less genetically defective individuals who can be exacerbated by, but are not necessarily created by, a dysfunctional environment.
Well, I dunno about that. Unless there's some inheritable genetic chemical imbalance, it's hard to say. You'd be hard put to find a Sufi, Buddhist or Quaker sociopath. Environment is a crucial key, unless there's evidence. The 2 boys in Columbine were pariahs to the Nth degree, which triggered a stressor factor. The other problem is that most teenage boys engage in behavior which would be considered sociopathic in an adult (to varying degrees), until Kohlberg's moral stages kick into drive.
AA:
Actually (this is a Kodak moment), I agree w/Jason as well. Human life is precious. As to the 'entire universe contained w/in us' - well, jury's still out on that 1.
It was a fair bit of rhetoric, I'll grant you that.
The video is no longer available, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteThe truth hurts... some people anyway.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who refutes evolution without having a better explanation for how we got here the fossil record etc…should keep their trap shut they just make themselves look stupid. If your religious beliefs don’t somehow allow for the explanation of humans on earth through evolution then you should probably stay away from the topic or do more research at a minimum. It absolutely boggles me that people can walk around thinking we were magically created from clay or dust in an instant on specific date some 5,000 or so years ago.
ReplyDeleteI agree with ka, that an imbalance could be a cause of the rampage behaviour. Mix that with the normal behaviours of westernized teenagers and you have at least a possible explanation that to me makes a lot more sense than the “evil” “ution” made me do it. I’d also bet the teenage years are the times when harvesting suicide bombers works best in other societies.
Isaac Asimov had a theory that if humans kept doubling the population of the planet every generation or two, that within a few hundred years humans would fill every habitable planet in the entire universe. It might have been less than hundreds of years. His estimates were wrong though. He made them in I think it was 67 and had calculated that by 2010 we would be close to 10 or 12 billion I think.
He began to take up non Jewish sports like surfing. What exactly is a Jewish sport? When are top spinning and money counting going to make it into the Olympics?
I am also an atheist jew. Good times.
ReplyDeleteJhrhv, anti-evolutionists tend to disprove evolution by confusing evolution with abiogenesis or confusing what evolution is, misquoting scientists, and quoting people from the past who didn't have nearly as much information that is available today. They can NEVER come up with scientific research or reputable observation that creates doubt in evolution theory.................because evolution is based on FACT.
ReplyDeleteAlex, there are lots of us.
Beep, damn Youtube!
You know, BEAJ, I find that my radar for sarcasm is either in overdrive or completely broken down. LOL Point taken. I don't know how in the hell I missed that previously. :)
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