July 1, 2008

If Sharia Law Comes To Canada, Blame Craig Smith And Those Who "Think" Like Him

I hadn't posted on the Blogging Tories Forums for quite some time. Probably since the provincial elections when I told everyone on that Forum that John Tory was going to lose, and why.
There are only a couple of members there that I can relate to, so I didn't feel like I was missing much.
I decided to go back to see if their reaction to keeping the Lord's Prayer in Provincial Legislature sessions. Since most members are uppity insecure Christians, I know they felt that it should be a gimme, but they were probably very pissed that other prayers are going to be read in rotation, including Islamic prayer.
I found nothing on it. I imagine their tails were tucked between their legs when the decision finally came out.
So I decided to spice things up and start a thread based on Pat Condell's newest Youtube video which explains why religious zealots who need to blur the line that separates church and state are the main reason why Islam is a threat to the Western world, and a threat to make serious changes in our Western culture.
I named the thread Is A Secular World A Sane World? (I know my answer, but I also kinda knew what the uppity Christians answers would be too).
I wound up lasting a day and a half before Forum admin baby Craig Smith (he is also co-founder of the Blogging Tories forum), took it upon himself to ban me once more. This time I won't try to get back in. Enough with his hypocritical arrogance.
For those interested, I will post the exchange between Craig and I. The whole thread can be found here.

Me: Pat Condell makes excellent points as to why Islam is a danger to the West. And I know many of the readers here, won't like them:



Craig: False presumption. He is assuming that we want to give broad religious freedom - I don't. I want Canada to be a Christian country. It is my believe that the purpose of a country is for people of shared values to reside in peace. That means that there should be atheist countries, Islamic countries, and Christian countries. I want Canada to be a Christian country.


Me: 1. You may want a theocracy. I don't. And a Christian country would be a theocracy, no different than what Saudi Arabia is by definition.
It really doesn't matter though. More and more Canadians are becoming atheist or agnostic every day as the internet is killing Christianity.

And when you say you want a Christian nation, do you mean Catholic nation? Protestant nation? Jehovah Witness nation? Mormon nation?

Last survey, 2. 23% of Canadians are atheist.
I still don't know what a Christian nation is though? Does that mean shops are closed on Sunday?


Craig: 1. Was Canada a theocracy 20 years ago when I said the lord's prayer in class after singing Oh Canada? Your comparison to Saudi Arabia is alarmist.

2. Good. So you remain a clear minority.
And a Christian nation includes all people who believe in Christ.

Me: I have no idea what you mean then by a Christian nation. I really don't.
There is a Catholic Lords Prayer that is different to the Protestant version. Which Lord's Prayer do you want?
And yes, there was a time when Jews couldn't get into certain clubs and even universities thanks to Canada's Christian status (back then it was pretty much just Catholics and Protestants who made up the rules). Is that alarmist?

Actually, Protestants who want Canada to be a Christian nation are in the minority.

And as far as Christianity and theocratic governments are concerned, lets look at Nazi Germany where the overwhelming majority of their population were Catholics taught that the Jews killed Jesus. It made physical attacks against Jews a much easier sell.


Craig: theatheistjew wrote:
There is a Catholic Lords Prayer that is different to the Protestant version. Which Lord's Prayer do you want?
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Why do you insist that there be just one prayer to our lord???

theatheistjew wrote:
And yes, there was a time when Jews couldn't get into certain clubs and even universities thanks to Canada's Christian status (back then it was pretty much just Catholics and Protestants who made up the rules). Is that alarmist?
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Comparing us to Saudi Arabia IS alarmist. Because you can cite a few examples doesn't make your comparison valid.

theatheistjew wrote:
And as far as Christianity and theocratic governments are concerned, lets look at Nazi Germany where the overwhelming majority of their population were Catholics taught that the Jews killed Jesus. It made physical attacks against Jews a much easier sell.
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Nazi German was anything but a theocracy. Your argument just became absurd.

Quotes from Hitler...

Quote:
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....

"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....

"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity the liar....

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery....

"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."

Sounds like atheism is the real danger in terms of comparisons to Nazism.


Me: "Why do you insist that there be just one prayer to our lord???"
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Why not have hundreds then, and not even have kids learn anything in school or for government sessions to not get started until after lunch.
How many prayers to your Lord are performed in most public setting these days btw?

"Comparing us to Saudi Arabia IS alarmist. Because you can cite a few examples doesn't make your comparison valid."
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Prayer in public, intolerance towards homosexuals, favoring one religion over others...should I go on?

Hitler didn't like organized religion, but the Nazis and the rest of the German army embraced the Catholic God. They had something to do with God written on their belt buckles. Hardly atheistic. Hitler used the countries overwhelming majority of Catholics and played on it.
As for his personal beliefs, he felt that Aryans were a special creation of God. Again, this has nothing to do with atheism either.

For what it is worth OBL doesn't necessarily have to believe in Islam to use the Koran and its followers to blow themselves up. FYI, I do think that OBL is a believer.

It was the religious writings and interpretations that the Jews killed Jesus and all the rest of the stuff the Catholics used from the bible to make the Jew a villain that led to the German people accepting the atrocities committed on fellow human beings.

Again, you failed to define what exactly you mean by a Christian nation. Is it possible that you can define it for me. What would change that isn't happening right now, and what would you eliminate?

BTW, Craig, your admission of wanting Canada to be a Christian nation (whatever that means) has lost you pretty much any respect I had for you. I think it is very sad you "think" that way. I thought you were more progressive than that.

Regarding the German Armies belt buckles:
Gott mit uns (meaning God With Us) was the motto of the royal house of Prussia, and part of the military emblem of Prussia and later Germany.
During the Second World War, Wehrmacht soldiers wore this slogan on their belt buckles, as opposed to members of the Waffen SS, who wore the motto Meine Ehre hei├čt Treue (my honor is loyalty).

Craig: theatheistjew wrote:
BTW, Craig, your admission of wanting Canada to be a Christian nation (whatever that means) has lost you pretty much any respect I had for you. I think it is very sad you "think" that way. I thought you were more progressive than that.
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How arrogant of you to think that I care about how you think of me. Arrogance is a trademark of atheists.

theatheistjew wrote:
intolerance towards homosexuals
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Intolerance towards homosexuality.

theatheistjew wrote:
favoring one religion over others...should I go on?
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Not letting women drive or laugh in public. Not allowing women to sing music. Hmmm - so similar!!!

theatheistjew wrote:
Hitler didn't like organized religion, but the Nazis and the rest of the German army embraced the Catholic God. They had something to do with God written on their belt buckles. Hardly atheistic. Hitler used the countries overwhelming majority of Catholics and played on it.
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That's quite a stretch.

theatheistjew wrote:
It was the religious writings and interpretations that the Jews killed Jesus and all the rest of the stuff the Catholics used from the bible to make the Jew a villain that led to the German people accepting the atrocities committed on fellow human beings.
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And it took how many other CHRISTIAN countries to stop Hitler? LOL - this is too easy.

theatheistjew wrote:
Again, you failed to define what exactly you mean by a Christian nation. Is it possible that you can define it for me. What would change that isn't happening right now, and what would you eliminate?
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I want to live in a country with people who share my values. Sharia law is not consistent with my values. We still are a Christian country. We are not far from where I want this country to be. I just need to stop people like you from changing it.

Me: Craig wrote: How arrogant of you to think that I care about how you think of me. Arrogance is a trademark of atheists.
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It is obvious to anyone here that I didn't think you care. I put out that statement for the rest of the board to see.
Arrogance:P
Christians who want a Christian nation are nothing but insecure control freaks. I still don't see a definition of what a Christian nation is though Craig.
Since you are the one who mentioned you want one, what exactly is it you want?

Craig wrote: That's quite a stretch.
And it took how many other CHRISTIAN countries to stop Hitler? LOL - this is too easy.
I want to live in a country with people who share my values. Sharia law is not consistent with my values. We still are a Christian country. We are not far from where I want this country to be. I just need to stop people like you from changing it.
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Sharia law or any religious law that discriminates and makes it through the courts is not consistent with my values.
We are not a Christian country. Well, I don't really know what your idea of a Christian country is because you refuse to define it.
The changes made are for the better. Jews are allowed to go to any university they choose to now, for example. Check out Monte Hall's story about not being allowed to go to certain universities because he was a Jew, and check out the old signs that used to be on Toronto beaches "no dogs or Jews allowed"
Is that your idea of a Christian nation. I spit on it.

What Christian countries stopped Hitler? The founders of the USA didn't want to favour any religion contrary to what apologists state.
Were the Russians a Christian state? They stopped Hitler too. The bottom line was that it was easy to sell the idea that Jews needed to go to a country the had an overwhelming majority of Catholics.

I'd like to know what good things I'm trying to change.


Craig: theatheistjew wrote:
Well, I don't really know what your idea of a Christian country is because you refuse to define it.
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Canada 50 years ago.

theatheistjew wrote:
Is that your idea of a Christian nation. I spit on it.
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My grandfather spent six years fighting Nazism during the second world war. I spit on you and your selfish attitude.

theatheistjew wrote:
What Christian countries stopped Hitler? The founders of the USA didn't want to favour any religion contrary to what apologists state.
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Canada, the USA, England, Australia were all just as Christian as you contend Germany was.

theatheistjew wrote:
Were the Russians a Christian state?
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Forced atheism. Nobody can be sure just how Christian they were.

theatheistjew wrote:
The bottom line was that it was easy to sell the idea that Jews needed to go to a country the had an overwhelming majority of Catholics.
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No - the bottom line is that millions of Christians died trying to save the Jews during WWII and you seek to demonize Christians because of a few signs on beeches.

theatheistjew wrote:
The reason Muslim prayer is now in the government is because of "thinkers" like Craig who need the Lords Prayer on tax payer dollars, so that he can beat his chest that this is a Christian nation Rolling Eyes
As far as the country that I want. It is pretty close to what we have or are about to have once we get rid of the whining religionists.
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Lose the attitude jackass or get lost.

This isn't "raving atheists" - or whatever that cesspool forum is called.


I replied back with something like "you are a control freak because you want a Christian country and you are now using your power to ban me, like you did a year ago or so. I called him a jackass, and told him to ban me for calling him one. Since I got banned last time for calling another member names. Also, if Sharia Law comes to Canada, blame yourself and your ilk for trying to keep religion in the government."

That wasn't exactly what I said, I just can't remember my exact wording. Craig deleted the post. I guess he figured that Jesus would have deleted the post and banned me too:)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CANADA

I hope this isn't the last year that Canada is free of Sharia Law, but if it is, we have Craig Smith and company to blame.


BTW, I emailed Craig after I got banned, and told him to grow up among a few other things.

He said I lead a hateful life.

I think the irony of his statement is lost on him.

I also noted that there is hardly any action on that Forum anymore. Very few posts by very few members. I livened things up for a day and a half at least. Craig should close the Forum that he has destroyed by being such a control freak.

If you want to see whining religionists in action though, they are really crying about the news that abortion doctor Henry Morgentaler is to receive the Order of Canada.

Canada a Christian country? My ass. Jesus must be rolling around in his grave:)

4 comments:

  1. Reading this post, especially the comments made by Craig Smith, reminded me of a t-shirt I've got. It reads: "Everyday I think that people can't get any stupider. Everyday I'm proven horribly wrong." And it seems that everyday this t-shirt's status in my mind moves farther from joke status, and closer to the scary truth. A Christian Canada, and countries defined by religion. That's great, lets just move all the Jews together and make a nice easy target for the Muslim countries!

    Before I became an atheist, I was glad that I was raised a reform Jew, because even then I was able to see the conceited ways of religion, especially Christianity. It's too bad people can't see themselves in an unbiased (secular) light.

    Great post, I applaud your "stirring things up" on the forums.

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  2. Re: Pat Condell's opinion.
    I have read a disturbing article
    on the subject of Islam. Apparently this reviewer considers Islam a very diverse religion that we cannot demonize by referring stereotypes.See
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/
    0,25197,23918100-25132,00.html
    I had to pause and consider that maybe my views on Islam are wrong.
    Diversity in Islam? That means choosing between a hijab and a burkah. Or maybe diversity refers to Sunni vs Shia?

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  3. Sorry to hear about your banning. Actually, I'm not really sorry. I've recently decided to scale down my involvement at the BT for obvious reasons.

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  4. Bleatmop, I'm not missing it one iota.
    Lately Little Green Footballs has been doing a lot of posts on how stupid ID is, and I couldn't get banned there if I stood on my head.
    It is pretty much an anti-terrorist, anti-Islam crowd, and many of the people are various types of creationists. But the beauty is that the Blog owner is ant-ID big time.
    And they over 500 comments for any post on ID.

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