Does Anyone Have Any Evidence Jesus Existed?

I've written about this before. I've asked Christians before. Now I am going to ask again. Can anyone show me proof that Jesus existed. Even circumstantial evidence will do.

First off, lets watch this video:


It is thought that Paul was first to write about Jesus. Many years after Jesus supposedly died. There isn't much evidence Paul existed. But I'm gullible. And I will accept he did. I will accept he was no different than Joseph Smith or James Frey as far as inventing a story and suckering many. The time was right, the Jews were getting their asses handed to them by the Romans. Life on earth was hell around 60 AD for Jews and their vengeful God wasn't coming through. A God that focused on life everafter and a heavenly eternity was an easy sell, especially since those ideas were already floating around with Mithraism, Zoraostianism and the Osiris-Dionysus myth.
But I'll admit, I could be wrong about Paul existing, but then someone who said they met Paul invented Christianity and Jesus. I'll go with Paul.

Back to my challenge. Circumstantial evidence does not include the bible. Sorry bout that. This is because evidence strongly points that the New Testament was written around 150-250 AD. No good.

Circumstantial evidence does not include historians who were not there. This includes Josephus. Josephus simply would have written down second or third hand accounts. No good. He did write about Christians and what they believed but that would be like me today writing about Mormons who tell me what they believe and tell me about what Joseph Smith saw. At least we know Joseph Smith existed.

Here are some questions for those who believe Jesus existed:

1. Why were there no writings by the 42 historians living around the region of Judea
between the years 1-35 AD? Think about this, before apologizing for it. Jesus was supposedly a miracle man and even if he disappeared until he was 30 there should be have been lots written, especially after his resurrection which was supposedly witnessed by hundreds or thousands.

2. Why did it take so long for someone to write something? You gotta admit, lots has been written about him from 60 AD on. But zero before that. Again, if you are gonna state something was written before that, prove it.

3. Why is it you will accept Jesus as a savior but in many cases reject evolution which has mounds of evidence for it, and no evidence against it. Why does evolution scare you guys so much?


4. Do you admit that if you were raised (lets say adopted as an infant by Muslim parents) in a Muslim home, you would most likely be Muslim today?

Atheism Sucks readers are more than welcome to post here. I will not delete anything, and your posts will show up immediately. Christian sites tend to moderate most of the time. I've had a few comments not show up at Frank's site. He picks and chooses which rebuttals he will post. But of late I must admit, he has been lenient with me. Please though try to remember that scripture is not considered proof by me, so don't copy and paste it. It is a waste of time.

More about Jesus as a myth. Wikipedia article, The Bible and Christianity, Why Jesus Didn't Exist, Everything you wanted to know about the Jesus myth.

Anti-Evolutionists Are Reality Deniers 101

I just found this video on Youtube. It starts slow, but quickly picks up. Watch it.
I like the music too.

This video and the this link to the 15 answers to Creationist Nonsense, are great debate tools against sincere anti-evolutionists. The problem is I'm not sure that there is such a beast as a sincere anti-evolutionist.
I like the phrase "Reality Denier" to describe an anti-evolutionist and/or young earther. I'm not crazy for the word "Brights" to describe Atheists, and as I've said before, because of the negative connotations associated with the word "Atheist," I would love to change our title to "Realist."

Now here is world renowned Creation scientist Joe proving that continental drift is a bad theory. Yes, he is serious. Have a KleenX ready for eye tears.

I do believe his scientific experiment can be totally replicated. He just needs to use stronger tape.

And here is Joe's theory on dinosaurs, which he says are simply exploding lizards:

Yes, Joe fits into the Reality Denier category.

Foley: Belief in Jesus Made Him Gay

Well the truth is finally out. Those who go to church, have a larger chance of becoming gay. Don't go to church, and you'll cut down your odds of turning gay dramatically.

As a rule, politicians are some of the most despicable people on this planet. Especially the ones that get close to the top or to the top. They give favors to those who help them financially. Ethics are thrown out the door. There are no saints in the Senate or the House of Commons in Canamerica.

First Foley gets caught having cybersex with a 16 year old boy. Then he states through his lawyer, that he was abused as a child, by a clergyman in Florida.

I am skeptical this happened. The Conservative Right lobby may have prompted Foley to say this. Conservative politicians and the Religious Right lobby are equally slimey when it comes to lying about science and especially about taking a stance that homosexuality is a sickness, and something that isn't predisposed by birth.

Now, even if it did happen, here is a typical politician who is supposed to be a represantive of the people. Aren't politicians supposed to protect the people when they can? Isn't this why they are elected? If the allegations are true, Foley allowed a pedophile clergyman to keep on keeping on: 'Mary Ross Agosta, a spokeswoman for the Catholic Archdiocese of Miami, said Foley never filed a report of abuse, but she encouraged him to do so.'

Mary, it is a little late. How many more boys has this clergyman "turned gay" since 1969?


Fact: there is a Jewish look. There is also a gay look. There is a lesbian look too. Although there are many exceptions. Foley looks gay. Did turning gay make him look gay, or was he born with the gay look and did he turned gay coincidentally?

So Foley, which is it? Were you born gay, or did your church going turn you gay?

Atheists: Let's Make Our Own Holiday On December 25th

And we shall call it Christmas.

I know it is early for a Christmas post but I figure we need some time to get this holiday idea of mine going.

I don't like this War on Christmas. It is not the Atheist way. We are realists. We should embrace Christmas season as a time to let the reality deniers have their day and their season.

I'm all for Peace on Earth and Goodwill to Mankind, but I just want to add a little to it for our Christmas celebration. Peace on Earth will be achieved when religious Fundies live and let live, and Goodwill to all Mankind who doesn't want me dead.

The reality is the Christians stole December 25th which was celebrated prior to Christianity by the Mithras. It was their damn holiday, it was the day they celebrated the birth of the sun. They even stole the concept of the virgin birth and the savior and the idea of the second coming from the Mithras.

There is no historical proof Jesus existed, but even according the mythological man written and rewritten New Testament, there are "clues" that make it impossible that the Christian's imaginary friend Jesus could have been born on December 25th.

The fact is the Christians used December 25th because non Christians were celebrating at that time and it would be easier to convert those Pagans to Christianity. It was really easy considering they stole most of Jesus' "story" from the Mithrans anyways.

So Atheists, let us use this date to get our message out. If you see a nativity scene surrounded by a bunch of people, speak to them, tell them you celebrate Christmas too, and you give out presents too. But tell them that there is no reason to believe in God and Jesus was most likely not even a historical figure let alone God or Son of God or whatever the hell they think.

Ask people at Christmas how old the earth is and if they believe in evolution. Then spread the word of reality. Depending on how well they are into listening of course.

If you have a child that goes to a school that is bent on doing a Christmas play, tell the school it is OK as long as they do our Christmas play too:




Go to Christmas parties. If they say grace and shit, smile, even laugh out loud if you have the balls or even belch. And have a few drinks and tell whoever will listen that God doesn't exist. Tell them that they are delusional if they think the earth is young and call them reality deniers if they don't buy into evolution. Tell them that Christmas was stolen from the Mithras. And don't forget to tell them Merry Christmas. Christmas is our holiday now too.

Joel Johannesen: What an insecure little baby

Click here to listen to Joel


I got banned by one of the most insecure blogs and forums on the internet. It is really a relgious right forum hiding under the guise of a political one. Obviously Proud to be Canadian does not believe in separation of church and state and especially they do not believe in free speech.

I compare the cronies on Proud to be Canadian to be as intellectually deficient as Robert McClelland's group of retards on MyBlahg. Even though I am disgusted in the NDP's politics, they at least weren't as insecure as Joel to ban me from their site.

I like Harper's stance on the War Against Terror, and I am also pro-business. I've voted PC all my life, but imbeciles in self denial at Proud To Be Canadian, make me not so proud to be Canadian. And they represent a good portion of the PC voting base. Hopefully, not the leadership. It just proves to me that the PC's are the lesser of 3 evils in Canada. The Liberals got us potential terror cells, and they have a few MP's that support Hamas.

My confrontation on the wimp board started innocently enough. I went to check out the headlines of blogs at Blogging Tories, and I came across “Charter rights”: Lesbian demands that God change that whole “life” thing ".

Now, I'm a firm believer that homosexuality happens mainly do to nature. Homosexuals should have equal rights. They are no less human or sick than heterosexuals.

I commented: What does this have to do with God? What exactly are God’s words regarding homosexuality and family? Prove God said them.
I accept homosexuality because there is tremendous evidence that it is more nature than nurture. It is not a sickness, and homosexuals do not choose to be homosexuals (at least in the overwhelming majority of cases).
Keep religion in the household and your place of worship (that is where it belongs).
Keep it out of the classroom and courts.

Those comments were attacked by a few bloggers. I was then deemed to be the enemy. I was called a bigot towards God and Christianity by Christians who themselves are openly bigoted against homosexuals and Atheists.

But lets get back to the baby Joel. He is supreme moderator at this blog, this gives his weak personna a boost, and makes him feel powerful. But as I will prove he is nothing but a weak kneed trembling little tot. He did not engage in any debate, but instead proceded to flame me. I felt I was dealing with a 15 year old.

He stated this:
Atheist Jew

Apart from the fact that you appear to be way, way over your head here, this isn’t an atheist religion web site, as you well know. In fact I think you seek out, target, and troll in these kinds of waters on purpose, evangelizing your religion, or attempting to do so. Your moniker is an all-too-obvious clue but your jejune little quips and bigoted smears are, well, stupid beyond the scope of what we tolerate here, what with this site being replete with employed grownups, and all.

You’ve more than made your point, such as it is.

Unfortunately for you, this is not an appropriate platform to advance your faith in the atheism religion. That’s just stupifyingly obvious.

If your own little blog site is failing because so many people follow the rich word of God, and you can’t seem to get folks to join your atheist religion, then I’m sorry about that, but this site isn’t going to be your go-to site to try to get converts and visitors to your atheist religion web site and church. It’s really rather fruitless in addition to being just annoying. Kind of like when communists come in here and start preaching that, or supporters of CBC promote that.

As a more general matter, I find that these repeated public displays of abject bigotry and intolerance from those who, like “Atheist Jew”, try to portray themselves as pseudo-intellectual “enlightened, tolerant ones”—are becoming hideous, actually, among the intelligent set, and are clearly serving our own interests rather than theirs. That’s a “backlash” I guess, and I suppose that’s good for us, so I’m glad “Atheist Jew” dropped by to help confirm that finding.

But being the charitable guy that I am, move on now, “Atheist Jew”, because self-respect and progress demands it.

And this:
Atheist Jew, I’ve already warned you. This is not your place to gratuitously spew your atheism. You’ve made your many uncalled for comments. That’s enough. Sit back now and take your lumps.

Write up a nice blog entry on your own blog espousing the strong faith you have in your atheism religion, if your site is so effective what with that massive 300 hits per day (I have a dormant site that gets more than 300 hits per day). And complain bitterly about how I’m censoring you here. I don’t care. Write the Queen to complain. Write the Pope.

You will not use this site as a platform to attempt to advance your anti-Christian religion, at my expense, particularly because you do so by way of insult, smears, and bigotry of the highest order. And it’s the wrong place, the wrong blog entry, and so much more.

But here’s my Christian-like olive branch:
If you can see fit to do so without acting like an insolent child who presumes to be addressing utterly unlearned morons and freaks and psychotics, you can start a topic in the discussion forums, as you probably should have done to start with. However, should you slip even an iota into the bigotry and insulting, childish, amateurish, disrespectful manner such as that which you’ve used here, you will be banned for life, and all traces of your existence here will be erased. And then you can write the Queen about that too.

Thanks.

So I accepted his offer and posted this under a brand new topic:
I’m The Atheist Jew, aka BEAJ, aka AJ. A Jew can be a Jew by religion and/or ethnicity(born to a Jewish mother). Hitler didn’t ask if the Jews he murdered believed or not, or to what extent. Neither would many Muslims today, especially radical ones.
My Atheism is usually misunderstood. I started off as a secular believer in God, turned Agnostic, and now I’m Atheist. This is due to my understanding that there is absolutely no proof outside of the bibles that God exists or has existed. Science will someday explain everything, and just because there are holes right now, it doesn’t mean God fills in the blanks. At least not to me.
I have friends who are Christian Fundamentalists. They want to take my wife to church and save her. My wife is pretty much agnostic, though she grew up secular Christian.
No, I can’t prove God doesn’t exist, but I can’t prove 50 Gods don’t exist, or even that my dog Daisy isn’t God.
I have voted PC for as long as I can remember. I am pro business. I am pro war on terror. I have a dislike for Moonbats.
I have no problem with Christmas, it is a great time to see families. I have no problem with cards that say Merry Christmas.
I do not believe Jesus existed as a historical figure, or that the Exodus happened. And I know the flood story has absolutely no science behind it.
I came to I Am Proud To Be Canadian blog because I saw a post having to do with gays. I believe strongly that the majority of gays are gay by nature not nurture. I also have no doubts about evolution.
I wanted to start a debate here about whether anyone here believes in evolution. Thank you.

Baby Joel immediately flamed me, and did not engage in debate whatsoever, and continued to flame me. I asked him to debate me and stop insulting me. His retarded answer was "No. I don’t have time to debate you."...check for yourself. The other fools on the board confuse evolution with religion. Yes, there are retards who walk amongst us. And many hang out at Proud to Be Canadian.

I told my wife about it just now, she shook her head and said "so much for free speech," and she agreed with me that the reason they banned me is that deep down Fundamentalist Christians know they have nothing, and are quite insecure and that is why they hang on to absurdities such as a young earth and anti-evolution.

Joel should be ashamed of himself, and so should Progressive Conservatives who are represented by idiots like Joel. He is a coward, a wimp and a rhetorical assmonkey. I was being civil on the board, but the insecurity and reading comprehension of Joel and his flock is mind numbing.

Read the forum comments, before the pussy takes them down. Especially his last comment. He is more retarded than Ann Coulter, because he probably isn't making much money with his inane drivel and she is.

Oh, one more thing, check their Islamic rules for their website:

If you're a LIBERAL, please remember that:

** You are a guest at ProudToBeCanadian ("PTBC"); and it is a
privately-owned facility, and yes, privately-owned things are still allowed
in this country;

** You are granted a privilege by us as the owners of this site to post
comments. You do not have "a right" to make comments at PTBC. Please be
aware of the difference. You are not automatically "entitled" to anything
at PTBC;

** We're under no obligation to provide you with a platform, at our expense,
to rant on and on about liberalism, the "Canadian value" of abortion,
smoking pot, socialism, or any other liberal-left ideal. Nor are we
obligated to even allow you to post any of your comments at all whatsoever,
and we may delete them if they break our very reasonable rules, and we are
under no obligation to consult with you first;

** And most of all remember that character assassination attempts or even
personal insults against the site owner, blogger(s), columnists, or any
commenter --are simply not well tolerated. Nor are rude, insulting,
bigoted cliché remarks made in blanket form against the group at PTBC or
any portion of them, nor conservatives generally for that matter. If you
type "Nazi" or "heil" or "Hitler" or "fascist", you will be banned for life
simply on the basis that you're a moron. If you type "homophobe", you may
be banned for life or just a for a while.

** You will have to tread lightly, respectfully, and remember that you're
among people who are committed conservatives (despite the teaching at
schools and from the liberal media which permeates our lives), you're not
necessarily among friends, and nobody will reach out to you for a group hug.
And if you do remember that, you'll get along just fine and last forever at
PTBC.

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What exactly is it about Islam they don't like, they seem pretty Islamic to me.