A "documentary" about to be shown this weekend, Darwin's Deadly Legacy, is yet another attempt by the Fundamentally Retarded to whine and lie about evolution.
Since I haven't seen it, I will cut up World Net Daily's article entitled Darwin-Hitler connection sparks attacks It is an attempt to shoot down people who have seen this argument many times before. Anyone familiar with the analogy that Hitler used "Darwinism" doesn't need to watch the documentary to know that this is going to be another dishonest attempt at saying evolution is bad and creation is good.
The documentary was done to "show why evolution is a bad idea that should be discarded into the dustbin of history,"
The documentary is trying to show that because Hitler supposedly incorporated "Darwinism," evolution is very very very bad. Lets even say that Hitler did use Darwin's theory to weed out the Jews (which he didn't). This still wouldn't mean that evolution isn't correct. It still doesn't mean that you can throw away facts becasue you don't like the repercussions of the facts. Lets throw cancer into the dustbin of history too, yeah lets ignore cancer.
WorldNetDaily columnist Ann Coulter also was a target for the critics who have yet to see the program.
She has, the critic contended, "no knowledge of science or history," and others on the program are nothing but "creationists."
Ann Coulter plagiarizes pieces from Behe and other creationists. I very much doubt she would ever be able to last one minute in a debate with a real scientist. I won't say she doesn't know anything about history, but from what I've seen, she doesn't know a lot. The others who are mentioned on the website promoting the documentary are in fact creationists. Creationists are not scientists, as stated before here. Those who mock evolution either don't understand evolution, or try to poke holes in certain parts of evolution theory. There has NEVER been one peer reviewed scientific study that puts doubt on evolution theory.
The program, according to producer Jerry Newcomb, is about the social effects of Darwinism, and the bloodshed that can be attributed to those beliefs. He said before Darwin, the basic concept was that man was made in the image of God, and was therefore valuable. But Darwin changed all that.
Hellooooooo, since when was Hitler the first person who tried to wipe out a people who were different than him. This dude is trying to say, for example, that Hitler was the first one to try get rid of Jews.
Lots of people, including Christians tried to rid the world of Jews even before Darwin came around.
"To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler," said D. James Kennedy, who is host for the special. "Hitler tried to speed up evolution, to help it along, and millions suffered and died in unspeakable ways because of it."
Coulter, who also wrote the bestselling "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," said Hitler simply was taking Darwinism from the theoretical to the practical.
"He thought the Aryans were the fittest and he was just hurrying natural selection along," she said.
Hitler believed in a special creation for the Aryan race. He believe in God, and he believed he was carrying out God's plan.
He never mentioned evolution.
'Hitler's goal was the "purification" of the "Aryan race" through the elimination of "subhumans", which included Jews, gypsies, Asians, black Africans, and everyone else who was not a white Aryan. Despite the creationists claims that this was based on Darwinain evolutionary theory, Hitler's own writings give quite a different story. The ICR claims that "Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book." (ICR Impact, "The Ascent of Racism", Paul Humber Feb 1987) Like so many of ICR's claims, this one is simply not true -- a quick scan of several online English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation."... "White Aryans," Hitler writes, "are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."..."Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," adding "Compared to the absurd catchword about safeguarding law and order, thus laying a peaceable groundwork for mutual swindles, the task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission." For Hitler, removing the subhumans from earth was not a matter of biology or evolution -- it was a divine mandate from God Himself, the "work of the Lord", a "truly high mission".'
Hitler was a creationist. A special creationist. A believer in God. He most likely believed in a young earth as well, which makes evolution impossible.
Some Hitler quotes:
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46]
"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator." [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125]
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
The first edition of Mein Kampf suggests that Hitler may once have believed in a young earth: "this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men" (p. 65; the second edition substitutes "millions" for "thousands," and chapter 11 refers to "hundreds of thousands of years" of life in another context.) Other passages further support his creationist leanings:
The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. (Hitler 1943, 383)
and
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. (Hitler 1943, 214)
It is amazing that dishonest creationists will only use part quotes and forget about everything else in order to try to keep their false illusions alive.
In the documentary they used Human Genome Project Director Francis Collins, whose book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief," was published only a few months ago.
Collins is a theistic evolutionist. Therefore, he believes in evolution, only he thinks God made everything possible.
He must have been quoted so out of context that he has now made this statement:
"absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy's program utterly misguided and inflammatory."
Hitler even outlawed Atheism in 1933
I know this is a bit of stretch but how about:
NO CREATIONISM, NO HITLER
or
NO CHRISTIANITY, NO HITLER
What's next? Lamarck created Stalinism?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, though, Hitler said different things about religion at different times. The National Socialists were more concerned about promoting the community, the Volk, even if they had to borrow from pagan, Christian, and other elements.
And of course, guilt by association cuts both ways. The biggest supporters of Intelligent Design in the world today are not Christians, but radical Muslims.
Jason, it is hard to say exactly what Hitler believed, and if he changed his beliefs. He obviously said a lot of things to appease the Germans and Nazis. He wasn't in a position to alienate a nation full of believers. And the Germans loved to hear they were special and better than everyone else. He even funded a theory that their was a secret Aryan people that lived in the center of the earth, who were part of the first Aryans God created thousands of years ago.
ReplyDeleteTheistic evolution pretty much is believed by anyone who doesn't dismiss scientific discovery (evolution and an ancient earth), and also believes in God. This makes up around 35-45% of Americans. 45% believe in young earth creation. The Vatican has recently taken a theistic evolution stance. Muslims mostly believe in the possibility of an ancient earth, but different creation times. In other words man was created less than 10,000 years, after God created dinosaurs and watched them die off. Also, many Muslims are YECs as well. Muslims in general do not believe in evolution.
YECs hate the idea of ID, because that implies an ancient earth still.
Kariba, those who believe in theistic evolution embrace the idea that God had a hand in the brilliance of evolution.
However, fundamentalists don't, again because evolution implies an ancient earth, which means the bible isn't literal. Evolution also contradicts the story of Adam and Eve, which means the bible at best is allegorical. For Fundamentalists, if one thing is wrong, that means the whole bible could be wrong, so they won't accept it, because God wouldn't do that to them. Evolution, also implies that man isn't that special, it means God created a bacteria like creature that eventually evolved into every life form we see today.
In general, Fundamentalists are so scared when it comes to evolution, they can't deal with the repercussions that go along with it, so they dismiss it.
RE hitler and the coulter evolution propaganda
ReplyDeleteHitler practised not evolution but what has been commonly been called "social darwinism". Social Darwinism is a term not coined by Darwin. Nor is it part of any theory of Darwin's, it was coined in 1944, when the historian Richard Hofstadter published a book titled "Social Darwinism in American Thought". Social darwinism is a political ideology based on dubious science associated with eugenics. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler supported the social philosophy of eugenics.
Eugenics advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention. These interventions may include: selective breeding and genetic engineering. Eugenics uses a process of artificial selection and evolution uses the process of natural selection.
Evolution is the change in the allele frequencies of genes over an extended period of time and natural selection is one of the mechanisms by which this change takes place. Natural selection is the process by which individual organisms with favorable traits are more likely to survive and reproduce than those with unfavorable traits.
Natural selection occurs over an extended time period and occurs naturally as a result of changes in the environment. The organism which is best able to adapt or change from a genetic point of view, (not a behavioral or social one), is the organism which increases it's chances for survival. Natural selection is what occurs within nature, that is, without conscious or deliberate manipulation. Or if you like, selection which occurs without human intervention. When humans manipulate the genetic codes of plants to create a monoculture, or when they manipulate the genetics of humans to create a desired change, this is referred to as artificial selection.
Darwin's evolution is not eugenics, and not social darwinism. The mechanism for evolution is natural selection.
Hitler's eugenics program was not evolution nor was it natural selection. The mechanism for eugenics was artificial selection.
In all cases, the political ideology of Social Darwinism should be distinguished from the scientific theory of evolution developed by Darwin in "The Origins of Species".
Good explanation Beep Beep, you should say the same thing over at Pharyngula's blog. Lots more viewers over there.
ReplyDeleteOne more point, I figured out by reading your comment: the idea of artificial selection predated Darwin. The idea of Royal blood, and not mixing it with commoners, goes back to ancient civilizations.
BEAJ, BBIM:
ReplyDeleteActually, social darwinism began in the 19th CE, by Herbert Spencer. I understand Carnegie embraced it to some degree.
I note that a lot of xtians do, as well (they'll never admit to that, hehehehe).
The ADL, BTW, has been laying into ole troutface: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4877_52.htm
BEAJ:
He even funded a theory that their was a secret Aryan people that lived in the center of the earth, who were part of the first Aryans God created thousands of years ago.
I thought their theory was that they were the purest ancestors of Atlantean descent. No, not joking. They furthered archeology pursuing that, as I understand it.
RA, I am familiar with the Atlantis theory. Hitler believed that Aryans were a special creation of God, and it occurred on Atlantis.
ReplyDeleteHere is a link about Hitler and the hollow earth, though not the one that talks about Arynas living inside the earth.
Bacon, while I think they are borderline heretics, the Reconstructionists would probably be right up your alley.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionist_Judaism
BEAJ:
ReplyDeletethough not the one that talks about Arynas living inside the earth.
Yeah, those wack-a-doofs had all sorts of grotesque baroque meriticracies.
Lessee, so now Collins has w/drawn, the ADL came out swinging, now Behe is pulling out.
This debacle is getting funnier every day.
1 can only hope that Kennedy loses a lot of face, & a lot of followers w/these shenanigans.
We should retaliate by preparing a documentary about Jesus, the child raping, murdering psychopath - although we'd better check with Muhammad’s lawyers to make sure we don't get into trouble for plagiarizing the script.
ReplyDeleteMZ, that is pretty close to me. But I am not a deist either.
ReplyDeleteI can see this being the number one form of Judaism in the near future though.
RE bacon: "The idea of Royal blood, and not mixing it with commoners, goes back to ancient civilizations."
ReplyDeleteExactly. The monarchies example selected their breeding partners from a very small genetic base.
I just read your comment on my blog. You are cute. I am sorry, but I was forced to rip you a new one. Welcome to a real blog. Enjoy your stay ;)~
ReplyDeleteSaying something is evil or just plain false by shouting, "Hitler did it!" is overdone. As I understand it, Hitler loved his dog, Blondie, very much. I'm not going to go beat my dogs just because Hitler loved his.
ReplyDeleteI am so glad I found your blog! It always makes me happy to find people who think about things instead of just swallowing whatever they've always been told.
Pouya, your blog is full of distorted Muslim rhetoric and a joke.
ReplyDeletePhoenix, thanks. I left a comment on your blog.
Whenever someone is afraid of losing a debate due to a weak argument and questionable evidence Hitler is thrown in as the last resort. People won't side with Hitler will they?
ReplyDeleteSadly enough it often works.
"Hitler never mentioned evolution"
ReplyDeleteThat's all one needs to say to a xian if they try to use the Hitler argument. :)
The thing is that it is sometimes quite relevant to throw Hitler into the mix when speaking about Islam, anti-sematism and hitorical and contemporary connections, but this is strictly limited to specific ideological considerations. But attempting to discredit evolution through some imaginary connection to Hitler is just absurd. I suspect Hitler was quite a firm beleiver in gravity and theories of aerodynamics, but I don't see anybody suggesting we should all stop sticking to the ground or abandon air travel just because Hitler happened to agree with the theories.
ReplyDeleteMore ridiculous theist nonsense that students will one day learn about in history class and then laugh at the madness of their ancestors.
This is sort of unrelated to your original post, BEAJ, but I wonder if you've heard of the "Biblically Correct" tours that many churches give at Natural History museums. Basically the group is told that man the dinosaurs co-existed.
ReplyDeleteIt's mind-numbingly pathetic and a class example of a group of people who'd rather change the facts to fit their suppositions when something doesn't fit.
I haven't heard of the tours, but I have written some posts on the believers.
ReplyDeleteThe should call it the Flintstones tour.