In a complete reversal of policy and ideology, Hamas leader Ismail Haniya and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas united and vowed to embrace Israel as their only real friend in the middle east. They also have decided to drop the title of Palestinians, stating that they are just simply Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank.
They formally agreed to disintegrate the two parties of Hamas and Fatah, and call the new party The Democratic Party of Gazan and West Bank Arabs. Abbas is now the President, while Haniya gladly took the Vice-President position. Abdul Aziz Duaik will now be the Secretary of State.
Haniya was quoted as saying, "When the Gaza sewer collapsed, and the Jews in Israel were the only group on the planet to offer help. it made me realize that Israel is our only friends and that the surrounding Arab countries have used us for 59 years as pawns. They don't give a rats ass about us, and it is clear now, that they never did. We realize now it was a terrible mistake to make Gaza a Jew free zone, and we invite all Jews from anywhere on the planet to live with us in peace."
Abbas decided to drop the title "Palestinians," stating, "the word has nothing but negative connotations associated with it and it is also a deceptive word as there never has been a nation known as Palestine."
On the Right of Return issue, Abbas added, "how silly is that?, I mean, who cares where our grandparents and great grandparents squatted? Right of return is just another stupid concept invented by our Arab neighbours as a way to keep us in contempt of our great Jewish allies."
Link to above story.
In other news, David Duke has been seen dating Halle Berry, Mad Zionist is converting to Islam, and Gert (from Developing Your Web Presence) has just bought a home in Hebron.
OK, but seriously, can you believe this article by Reuters? It is nice to see some intelligence coming out of the Palestinians for a change.
I don't want to be the prophet of doom here but the story you refer to seems like a fairy tale. Hamas and Fatah united and accepting Jews back in Gaza. Next thing you know world peace will break out, people will stop believing in God and become atheists, Christian fundamentalists will accept evolution theory,Muslims will walk away from Mecca. It's nice to dream every now and then.
ReplyDeletePeople trying to get along? Say it isn't so. It must be April Fool's Day
ReplyDeleteThat's a little too out there for even April Fool's!
ReplyDeleteLove the blog!
I could never get away with this post.
ReplyDeleteBEAJ:
ReplyDeleteI would have moved to Hebron a long time ago if it wasn't for the security queues at the El Al check-in point! (lol)
bacon-eater: I'd like to see what you think of my latest post on gay pride. Check it out @
ReplyDeletehttp://www.HearOIsrael.blogspot.com
Take care, G.
Sentiprat has now resorted to the lowest form of "debate": comment spamming over at mine.
ReplyDeletegert,
ReplyDeleteThis is spam that you have posted here.
You obviously think you can use extremely depraved insults/accusations without consequence don't you?
You accuse someone of childhood sexual molestation because they disagree with you (in fact I hadn't even done that at that point.)
It is something that would not even enter the mind of a normal person, and so it raises serious questions about you and your lifestyle.
Basiorana, you write great. I can't believe you are only 19.
ReplyDeleteGert, I told you Sentofaretard (I know how to spell Scent) is mentally ill.
I was reading this new initiative has been turning into a landslide movement throughout the Muslim world. Muslims across the region have decided that enough is enough and to end fighting around the globe. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying “It's time we give up on this notion of spreading our beliefs by the sword, using fear to intimidate our own brothers and sisters and our cousins the Jews who we have such a long and shared history with us must come to a peaceful end”. He was later quoted as saying “that in the face of recent events where Israel was the only nation in the region to offer any assistance in recovery efforts from the earthquake that hit a remote mountain region of the Iranian nation last year and that Israel this year was the only nation to offer assistance to our Palestinian brothers following the recent sewage nakba that it was time we changed our ways and offered our hand in true peace to all our neighbors in the region”.
ReplyDelete15 British soldiers recently taken captive by Iran have been scheduled for immediate release. Iranian officials have said they are still not satisfied with the British explanation of events leading up to the sailors being taken captive but have agreed that further negotiations should proceed without the need for hostages and hope this new peace initiative will be the end of any future hostilities between the “East and West”.
Ahmadinejad has put forth a proposal that Israel be recreated with new borders based along old testament story borders. All Muslim who live within those borders according to the story will be encouraged to either convert to Judaism (apostasy will not apply to any converts from Islam) become completely secular or move to another area.
UBL / Al-Quada have decided to get out of terror and will be retraining all of their member to join Bill Gates and Warren Buffett to help raise money for charities.
BTW I was almost 100% sure this was hoax just from the title. Does that make me a realist or nihilist I wonder.
The fact that you weren't 100% sure means you aren't as much of a realist as you should be.
ReplyDeleteThe Sentinel, you have confirmed your mental illness by your reaction to the commenters on my blog, and of course your own blog entries.
ReplyDeleteGert is just speculating on the cause. But if you want to say you were born mentally ill, I have no reason to doubt it.
All wild conspiracy theories isn't it?
ReplyDeleteNo truth in it any of it at all is there?
Must be my "mental illness" dreaming this, or perhaps my "childhood sexual abuse".
"New details are emerging about a secret 2003 briefing that could play a key role in the defense of two pro-Israel advocates charged with passing classified information.
Until now, the identities of the participants were not publicly known, except for one of the defendants, Steve Rosen, then policy director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. In recent weeks, however, the Forward has confirmed that the meeting featured a briefing delivered by top Middle East peace envoy Anthony Zinni and was attended by Jess Hordes, head of the Washington office of the Anti-Defamation League, and Dan Mariaschin, executive vice president of B’nai B’rith International."
http://www.forward.com/articles/secret-briefing-by-zinni-seen-as-key-in-aipac-duo
Sentinel: So what? Lobby groups are corrupt whether they are AIPAC, CAIR, or a Pharmaceutical Lobby group.
ReplyDeleteAnd as said before, the US and Israel share info, and you can bet that both spy on each other too.
The Pollard situation was all about the US withholding info from Israel.
It makes sense Israel can't trust the US completely, and to say Israel isn't vulnerable would be lying.
But your obsession with Israel is certainly a sign of mental illness.
Hmmm. What a surprise.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all it doesn't exist. None of it exists. Its all paranoid fantasy.
Then when it is out in the open it is always "so what?." Everyone's doing it.
Besides the fact that the US intelligence agencies regard Israel as its most aggressive spy opponent, it only seems to be Israel that is so voracious in it espionage operations that it uses ostensibly independent organisations to infiltrate agencies and gather information, and even interfere in the internal criminal investigations of a so-called ally.
When citizens of a country are found to be placing loyalty to Israel above the land of their birth and legal residence by indulging in, and assisting, espionage against it, it raises obvious questions about placing people who value their ethnicity over their nationality in positions of sensitivity and power.
When the ADL and B’nai B’rith are found to be so heavily involved at such a senior level the obvious question is what exactly is thier function? As an arm of Mossad? If not, why the involvement? If so why are the tolerated?
I think you must be mentally ill if you keep denying the bleeding obvious: Jews place loyalty to Jews over their loyalties to anyone or anything else.
Sentiretard:
ReplyDeleteThis is what you wrote in the comments on the post below:
"The only things to survive a meteor (not meteorite [sic] you clown) crash would be cockroaches and Jews."
Charming. This is why I joked about you having been sexually abused, in light of what I read on your blaaghgh and how offensive you find the idea. Well, I and others here find your writing offensive. You lost all moral high ground from second one, so stop whingeing, and get the toys you threw out of your pram together and leave.
You can schmooze about Jewish conspiracies to your heart's content elsewhere, that's your right. And it's our right to think you're crackers...
Your "don't call me names" sounds completely disingenuous, there's no doubt in my mind you're the first to launch a tirade if the mood took you.
Accept that most people would consider you a crackpot and an imbecile, abused or not.
Uhm... I got an inappropriate comment on my blog from a "BEAJ" but there was no hyperlink in the name. And considering both the fact that you replied so nicely here and that you currently have a bit of a flame war going on in your comments, I'm guessing that someone's trying to get you in trouble. I thought you might want to know.
ReplyDelete(I deleted the comment, of course, and I'll be ignoring it and still reading until one shows up with an actual link. Which, of course, I do not expect.)
BEAJ open your eyes man. If a Jew works there has worked or might possibly work there at some point in the future. There can be little doubt its all part of their not so secret anymore thanks to the likes of “the sentinel” conspiracy to take over the world.
ReplyDeleteDon't pay attention to those Arab people killing each other and those infidels from other religions by thousands weekly they are of no concern to the real threat to human kind peace and stability around the world the Jew. Thank well I don't want to say God because I know you think he/it is a purple light or something less so thank Darwin that all the human rights groups and peace activists haven't been taken in by these tricky self serving Jews and have been able to spot evil where it lives in Hollywood & New York.
You have done the people of the Oakville area a great disservice by putting the secular Jews running Canada from there on the map as well you fool.
Basiorani, my guess it is Rickey. He/she hates Jews, but hates females equally, if not more.
ReplyDeleteSentinel, there are 4 things you can choose to be loyal to. Your country, your ethnicity, your family and yourself. How many American Muslims are loyal to the USA first?
I should have included another three loyalties, groups you belong to, your religious affiliation, and maybe your political party.
ReplyDeleteJhrhv, Secular Jews run the world, the secret is out. Now that imbeciles like Sentinel has figured it out, I wonder what he will do next? He may need to do just a bit more extensive research at David Duke.org and Rense, before he has enough amo though.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what he will do next?
ReplyDeleteLets hope it has something to do with the self mutilation and his private areas.
I guess spam is in the eye of the beholder, no? ;)
ReplyDeletegert,
ReplyDeleteI posted that comment in reaction to the insults beaj left at my place, and usually with censorship enabled it doesnt get posted anyhow. I explained that already, if people want throw around insults they can expect them back.
"Your "don't call me names" sounds completely disingenuous, there's no doubt in my mind you're the first to launch a tirade if the mood took you."
Based on what exactly? You do not know me from a bar of soap.
The interesting thing is I provide minimal commentary to the news items I post- it is the facts that you are so riled up about.
"Accept that most people would consider you a crackpot and an imbecile, abused or not."
Unfortunately for you, this is far from the case.
beaj,
"Sentinel, there are 4 things you can choose to be loyal to"
Actually, no. You don't get to choose. When you think you do its called treason.
"How many American Muslims are loyal to the USA first?"
Not one would be my guess.
"He may need to do just a bit more extensive research at David Duke.org and Rense, before he has enough amo though."
Israeli media is better for research.
Bacon, I was visited by the Virgin Mary the other night. Go check out my story!
ReplyDeleteSentinel, few acts are treasonous, and those who do them should get rightfully punished. But it isn't a crime for an Italian American to route for Italy's soccer team in a game against the USA. It isn't treasonous for a Catholic to donate money to a Catholic cause outside America instead of within America.
ReplyDeleteMost of the time being loyal to something other than country is completely legal, and the majority of people do not break the law. If a Jew commits a treasonous act, he should be punished, just like anyone else.
AIPAC is a foreign lobbying group. They are completely legit. And you can be an American and be more loyal to Jews and Israel without breaking the law. But I also believe in racial profiling, so I would spend more time investigating Aipac or Cair for possible spying more that I would spend on the Boy Scouts.
sentinel:
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately for you, this is far from the case.
Is that what your therapist says?
Actually, no. You don't get to choose. When you think you do its called treason.
Uh-oh, I smell a mad dog patriot.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - G. Washington.
So if I put humanity above my country, does that make me a traitor?
sentinel
ReplyDeleteRE: "I think you must be mentally ill if you keep denying the bleeding obvious: Jews place loyalty to Jews over their loyalties to anyone or anything else."
Ummm... and the realization that this may be true for many jews is what?
The same can be said of muslims, or christians or hindus.
People are good at making allegiances. That they ally with people from the same tribe, clan, ethnicity, nationality, gender, political persuasion is obvious.
Where you been? In a cupboard?
And just a tip. People who have been threatened historically with extermination potentially group together just that little bit more than a group which hasn't.
Nothing will ensure identity and common concerns faster than a common threat.
Krystalline Apostate,
ReplyDelete"Uh-oh, I smell a mad dog patriot."
You just stumble from one insult to another- from one label to the next.
"So if I put humanity above my country, does that make me a traitor?"
If it means passing state secrets that could cost the lives of your countrymen and/or compromise the integrity and security of your nation then quite simply, yes. (Such as the atomic 'secrets'- who gave those to the Russians?)
beepbeepitsme,
"People are good at making allegiances. That they ally with people from the same tribe, clan, ethnicity, nationality, gender, political persuasion is obvious.
Where you been? In a cupboard?"
That is the precisely the whole point.
That is what is being said here: 'Multiculturalism / Multiracialism" doesnt work and never will.
People with diametrically opposed cultures, religions, creeds, outlooks and ideas pull in thier own directions, not collectively and cohesively as a country requires- ultimately leading to conflict when the vying factions reach fiction point with the competition to impose their direction.
"And just a tip. People who have been threatened historically with extermination potentially group together just that little bit more than a group which hasn't.
Nothing will ensure identity and common concerns faster than a common threat."
Again, precisely.
Like it or not, whites will be a creature of the past at the current rates of immigration and birth rates in every 'western' nation- including your Australia where the programme has been scaled back (until people forget) after the extremely violent and criminal behaviour of the Sudanese 'refugees' they took in wholesale. (Who will undoubtedly supplant the Lebanese and Vietnamese organised criminals dominating the Australian underworld at present- all legacies of false compassion.)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21166482-661,00.html
Sentinel, what is the white culture you are inferring? Does that include Atheists, Jews, Italians ? What part of your culture is being destroyed by Jews?
ReplyDeleteRE KA:
ReplyDeleteI think whitey is for the chop, genetically speaking that is. Now if I assumed that there were certain "noble characteristics" that could only be atributed to "white people" , I might be upset. But I don't.
As for the ethnicity of the population of australia, it was originally traditionally aboriginal, then anglo-saxon (after we bumbped off a considerable number of aborigines.) Then we extended it to those of Anglo-european descent, but preferably northern europeans, not greeks, italians, portuguese. Eventually it was extended again to include all those of anglo and european descent. And the more recent immigrants have been from asia, africa and south america.
Australia had a "white australia policy" for many years. It was always a little debatable as to what "white" meant, but none the less, it was part of government policy. I am not mentioning this because I either supported it or because I didn't. Just mnetioning the way it was and this concept of "whiteness" dictated immigration policy.
Multi-culturalism has until recently been quite a successful way of adding to the population. And there has been little real friction with people from other nations or other cultures. There has been some, of course, but nothing terribly drastic or bothersome, unless you belonged to one of the cultures which copped a bit of the discrimination for being seen as different. By law, in theory at least, all were equal under the law. (Except for the native inhabitants who had to wait for ages to be granted equal rights under th law.)
Now I attribute this relatively harmonious intergration of people from a variety of different nations and cultures to the fact that they were predominately immigrants with the same or similar religious background. Basically, they were all from christianized countries. (Not that I think that christianity as a religion is anymore true than any other religion, but the homogeneous nature of this religious belief probably allowed for many of the other perceived differences to seem less important.)
Even when australia started to accept asian immigration, a large % of these were christian, or some other religious/philosphical position like buddhism which did not have a long and bloodied history of repeated conflict with christianity. (I suppose that could be debated, but I haven't met many buddhists here in australia who feel politically motivated to push their religion as the political ideal.)
So, I guess what I am saying is that multiculturalism seems to work fine when people's religion is not their political position. That we all come from different cultures doesn't seem to be the major problem, that some of us come from different religions which are historically, at least, mortal enemies, does.
Australia's islamic population is, BTW, approximately 1.5% of the total population. According to the same source, the US's islamic population is approximately 1%. According to the same source Israel has approximately 15.9%
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_rel_mus-religion-religions-muslim
What do these statistics mean? I dunno quite frankly.
But I would suggest that inherent in the religious ideology of judaism, islam and christianity is the concept that the nation must politically reflect the religious concerns of its people.
This makes it a sticky situation when at least 2 of those mentioned, believes that only they have access to religious truth.
I think my last comments should have been directed to sentinel, not KA. I became confused as to who was quoting from whom.
ReplyDeletesentinel:
ReplyDeleteYou just stumble from one insult to another- from one label to the next.
Well, fella, how is anyone supposed to take you seriously? I mean, really. Zionist conspiracies, the 'gay agendists' employing Marxists techniques - I mean, c'mon. You make it sound as if there's large cabals all slavering after your freedom. I mean, that's how I read it.
& referencing Faux news? W/a clip that's nearly 4 years old? What's that about?
I keep hearing from all you 'zionist conspirators' that these Jews were/are in high places, as if the inference is that they shouldn't be there at all - so no matter how hard you work, if you're Jewish, you can't aspire to greatness, due to your culture/ethnicity?
Let me ask this: is there ANY Jew on earth that you DON'T suspect of being 'in on it'? Seriously?
If it means passing state secrets that could cost the lives of your countrymen and/or compromise the integrity and security of your nation then quite simply, yes. (Such as the atomic 'secrets'- who gave those to the Russians?)
Yeah, that's treason, all right. But I doubt the Rosenbergs were acting under orders from The Vast Secret Jewish Cabal.
I think you must be mentally ill if you keep denying the bleeding obvious: Jews place loyalty to Jews over their loyalties to anyone or anything else.
Here, read this: read ALL of it. Digest it.
Israel's policies reflect SURVIVAL.
Personally, as a white person, I could give a rat's fart in a whirlwind if my 'race' isn't in the ascendancy any more.
Or, to quote C. Darrow, when a judge asked him about the purity of the Anglo-Saxon race: "Purity? I just want to apologize for being a member of the meanest sons of bitches that ever walked the earth."
Are you a white supremacist? 'Cause you sure as hell sound like 1.
You guys have quite a dog-fight on your hands here, I see. Beaj, Gert, beepbeepitsme, basiorana: good on ya for defending the Jewish people. This is where the real persona of a human being comes to light...When basic moral and ethical points get debated or in this instance others, who are not quite up to your moral standards question something as basic "there's nothing wrong with having been born a Jew".
ReplyDeletejhrhv: you come accross as a particularly nasty anti-Semite. I believe the only good method of dealing with your type in knocking sense into you by way of the perverbial fist. I'd be happy to. Just give an address and I'll come on over my next visit to Europe or whatever hole you're hiding in.
the sentinal: you come accross as the "intellectual" anti-Semite, which is worse than what we have with your pal, jhrhv. Your type created the Third Reich and was responsible for murdering millions of Jews whether in the Holocaust, the Inquisition, the pogroms, etc...
In your case, I'd like to prove you wrong but people like you are so tunnel-visioned that that would be rather difficult. Hence the same method as would be used with on your bud here would be practiced on you. And it will happen, whether today or 20 years down the line.
Atheist Jew: thanks for your comments on my site. I've answered you and have linked to you. Good on you for being a Zionist; whether bacon-eating or not.
ReplyDeleteSenticrap is an anti-Semite, a homophobe and a white supremacist. I've referred him to the clowns at NukeIsrael.com. They should have fun building a Weapon of Mass Dysfunction together....
ReplyDeleteThat's me done with Senticunt (well, for now). You were right, he's just mentally ill, not sexually abused (my bad).
BEAJ: he's now convinced I'm Jewish, but how do I get into the conspiracy? I need some cash and fast (lol)...
Greg, your sarcasm detector is on the fritz when it comes to jhrhv.
ReplyDeletebeaj,
ReplyDelete"Sentinel, what is the white culture you are inferring? Does that include Atheists, Jews, Italians?"
Atheism, or theology in general plays no part in race.
The Italians, in common with most of sourthern Europe are hopelessly bastardised . Jews are either of Hebrew and middle eastern descent or Ashkenazi and of Khazar descent.
"What part of your culture is being destroyed by Jews?"
From the semantics of your question, you clearly do not consider yourself to be white.
I was referring mainly to the genetic destruction we face, but every facet of our culture is under attack- famaily, traditions even the right to display our national flag.
beepbeepitsme,
"Now if I assumed that there were certain "noble characteristics" that could only be atributed to "white people" , I might be upset. But I don't."
Who built those cities and towns you live in?
Who invented the machine and the infrastructure you use to communicate your contempt and the source that powers it, just for instance?
"So, I guess what I am saying is that multiculturalism seems to work fine when people's religion is not their political position."
The Sudanese are christens, and they are not 'integrating'.
"Australia's islamic population is, BTW, approximately 1.5% of the total population"
And look at the huge problems you face with them already.
The mufti of Australia has already said that you don't belong there- it is Muslim country and that woman who get raped are asking for it. (The Lebanese gang rapes.)
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/11/1168105116655.html
But then you are set to face the huge problems already faced by the 'western' countries that allow Third Worlders in.
Relatively recent to mass immigration, Denmark now has to face a massive uprise in crime- particularly rape- and has 'discovered' what they could have been told by anyone with an ounce of experience and common sense- 68% of the rapes are committed by non-whites as is nearly half of their overall crime.
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62173.html
With the same in Norway- two out of three rapes are committed by non-whites.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
The story is the same in Sweden too. (Where sexual offences against children has increased six times since the start of the mass immigration in addition.)
And we see whites fleeing in terror
"Immigration to Sweden in 2006 reached its highest level since records began. At the same time emigration also soared to a level not seen in over 100 years, according to official figures published by Statistics Sweden."
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=6412
Add all of this to your already serious Lebanese and Vietnamese problems and you face a bleak future indeed.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/australia/docs/ncaaoc3.html
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581
"I became confused as to who was quoting from whom."
Confused is one word for it.
Sentinel, are Atheists destroying family values too for the most part? You didn't answer how Jooooos are making things hard on Whitey. And yes I consider myself white when I play basketball with a black guy, but I'm not as white as you, because my skin isn't white, it is kind of a light olive tan colour. I think you can get my skin colour by mixing pink paint brown paint and yellow paint.
ReplyDeleteSo your culture is really the Euro-white culture. Doesn't that make you a potential treasonous traitor? What if you found a government file that said a hispanic American group was potentially planning on blowing up a white community center in Sweden, but US officials told you not to give Sweden the info, and you should not mention it at all because it is top secret info. Would you give that information to Sweden?
Atheist Jew: I'm not as smart as you as your next post indicates, Eitnstein;) So, bearing that in mind, please let me know what "fritz"(besides the chess program) means...thanks!
ReplyDeleteon the fritz adj 1. to be broken or to not function properly. ("My car is on the fritz again.")
ReplyDeletegreg,
ReplyDelete"Your type created the Third Reich and was responsible for murdering millions of Jews whether in the Holocaust, the Inquisition, the pogroms, etc..."
That's very odd, considering it occurred long before my birth in a country that is not mine, and my grandparents fought to destroy it (what did yours do)?
But if you want to talk about "types" then your 'types' are responable for the King David Hotel bombing, the USS Liberty, massacres at Jenin and a large part in the Armenian genocide to name just few.
"Hence the same method as would be used with on your bud here would be practiced on you. And it will happen, whether today or 20 years down the line."
Yet another internet hardman.
Why don't you give out your address so people can come visit you, tough guy?
beaj,
"You didn't answer how Jooooos are making things hard on Whitey"
I have gone into some detail as to the origins and history of the 'PC' curse that is running rough shod over 'western' nations and undermining our stability.
http://truthatsentinel.blogspot.com/2007/02/politically-correct-says-who.html
http://truthatsentinel.blogspot.com/2007/02/politically-correct-says-who-part-two.html
I have also provided some detail as to who controls the media that perpetuates that agenda.
http://truthatsentinel.blogspot.com/2007/03/96-of-worlds-media-output-is-zionist.html
"What if you found a government file that said a hispanic American group was potentially planning on blowing up a white community center in Sweden, but US officials told you not to give Sweden the info, and you should not mention it at all because it is top secret info. Would you give that information to Sweden?"
I would be absolutely amazed to find myself in that position being British.
I notice that no-one has anything to say about the shocking (but predictable) non-white crime rate in Scandinavia now.
...and I always thought it was the name of my favorite chess engine...thanks for the clarification, beaj!
ReplyDeleteOK Sentinel, instead of US, substitute Britain. "What if you found a government file that said a Muslim English group was potentially planning on blowing up a white community center in Sweden, but British officials told you not to give Sweden the info, and you should not mention it at all because it is top secret info. Would you give that information to Sweden?"
ReplyDeleteWere the Jooooos responsible for the Armenian Holocaust?
How is the Jooooish agenda different from the white agenda?
I'm not bothering with your links, I really don't have any respect for any imbecile who uses the USS Liberty as an example for anything.
What you have written is no doubt no different from Rense, which is a total waste of time to read.
You really have to search far and wide to find incidents involving Joooos. And many have no bearing on Joooooos and are highly suspect in their magnitude like the Jenin "massacre," the King David hotel bombing was political, and the USS Liberty if done on purpose, was done by one or two people and not by a group...and it was cleared as being an accident every time investigated...Only Joooo obsessed retards bring it up, and try to blame Israel today or Jews today with it.
Is there a Jew under your bed?
Oh, G-d, Sentiflop is British! The "intellectual wing of the BNP", I guess. Or the son in law of David Icke. But with Jooooos instead of reptillians...
ReplyDeletebeaj,
ReplyDelete"What if you found a government file that said a Muslim English group was potentially planning on blowing up a white community center in Sweden, but British officials told you not to give Sweden the info, and you should not mention it at all because it is top secret info. Would you give that information to Sweden?"
Even though its a facile analogy, most likely I would not pass the information on.
"Were the Jooooos responsible for the Armenian Holocaust?"
Have a look into who the young turks really were.
"I'm not bothering with your links"
Whatever; I answered your question.
"You really have to search far and wide to find incidents involving Joooos"
Hardly, from the rise of communism to the start of usury and the modern banking system, from the control of the media to instigation of wars, to false flag operations, to espoinage- its very easy, but depressingly easy.
"highly suspect in their magnitude like the Jenin "massacre"
How many have to die before it is called a massacre in your book.
"the King David hotel bombing was political"
Oh, thats OK then.
"and the USS Liberty if done on purpose, was done by one or two people and not by a group"
Of course it was a group, it was attacked by the Israeli Air Force and Navy on the instructions of the Israeli government.
"and it was cleared as being an accident every time investigated..."
Given Jewish influence over the US that's no surprise.
But these people in the know had this to say:
"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "
-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk
"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms
"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
-- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby
"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson
"The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."
-- Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31)
"A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."
-- Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack.
"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor
"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack...was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.... It was our shared belief. . .that the attack. . .could not possibly have been an accident.... I am certain that the Israeli pilots [and] their superiors. . .were well aware that the ship was American."
-- Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy (retired), senior legal counsel to the US Navy Court of Inquiry
That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings
Former NSA/CIA Director Admiral Bobby Inman "flatly rejected" the Cristol/Israeli claims that the attack was an accident
-- 5 March 2003 interview for Naval Institute Proceedings
Of four former NSA/CIA seniors with inside knowledge, none was aware of any agency official who dissented from the position that the attack was deliberate
-- David Walsh, writing in Naval Institute Proceedings
"It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity."
-- Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty, speaking at Arlington National Cemetery, June 8, 1997
"To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."
-- Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in The Washington Post, June 15, 1991, p. 14
"Only Joooo obsessed retards bring it up, and try to blame Israel today or Jews today with it."
Really, is that a fact?
"The USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed a formal
Report with the Department of Defense
of War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel on June 8, 1967,
by elements of the Israeli military forces."
http://www.ussliberty.org/
"Is there a Jew under your bed?"
If there was any money or power in it, then there would be many.
Sentretard, I could quote the reports that cleared Israel in the USS Liberty attack too, don't waste my time with lengthy copy and pastes. Like I said, they are all available at Rense and David Duke.org.
ReplyDeleteYou don't even know for sure if you would be loyal to your country. You are more loyal to your pink hue skin colour.
Communism and usury are old, how does Jooooish control affect you today?
You know what, don't answer, you are a pathetic asswipe. 13 million Jews own 6.5 billion people on the planet, live with it. And keep dreaming about the big bad Joooooo.
It is imbeciles like you that justify Israel's existence. Thanks for that.
One more thing for the retard. It only took one or two Jews to make the orders to fire at the USS Liberty, it wasn't a decision by the masses of Jews in Israel, just one or two people made a mistake, or even if they did it on purpose, they are the only ones to blame.
ReplyDeleteBut retarded Joooo haters will blame the majority of Israelis, and most likely the majority of Joooos for the Liberty.
Pathetic.
I thought you were going to stop coming here. I really don't need fringe lunatics commenting here. You should stay in your own rat hole.
sentinel: your comments prove you're the "intellectual type" anti-Semite and just to repeat: your type were responsible for the Holocuast and so on and so forth. And yes, the King David bombing. Did you the Etzel warned all civilians to get out of the area. The British soldiers there could have gotten out had they heeded the Etzel warning, too. It was the British pride and under-estimate of the Irgun that made them scorn the warning and get killed. The Irgun target was the hotel itself, not civilian targets.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Armenian genocide, well...you can blame just about anything on 'em Joooos, now, can't you, professor Hermann? Or is it Himmler?
Wow, you really dont like being caught out do you?!!
ReplyDeleteIt enrages you dosent it?!!
"You don't even know for sure if you would be loyal to your country"
Obviously that facile analogy was a childish attempt to illicit some response that would not have found favour either way.
I will never be in the position you describe so it is a complete waste of time.
You don't have an any answers to any questions, just lots of impotent rage.
Like I said, you seem to get off playing the Jewish spokesman- what are you credentials for this?
I'm not going to address all your worthless crappy points. Like I said, it is a complete waste of time. I'd rather know you are crapping your pants because of the big bad Joooooooooooos.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing you've proved here is that you are mentally ill.
I'm not enraged. I'm laughing at the fact that retards like you walk the earth. Priceless.
RE: "And look at the huge problems you face with them already.
ReplyDeleteThe mufti of Australia has already said that you don't belong there- it is Muslim country and that woman who get raped are asking for it. (The Lebanese gang rapes.)"
You are citing a couple of instances and extrapolating that there is widespread rape, murder and mayhem. Sorry mate, it is very peaceful down here where all of us are at present standing on our heads and farting in your general direction.
BTW, it doesn't take someone's religious creed for a guy to believe that a woman deserves to be raped. That sort of mentality has existed in the braindead for thousands of years.
beepbeepitsme,
ReplyDelete"You are citing a couple of instances and extrapolating that there is widespread rape, murder and mayhem"
I am telling you what you are in store for. You are just starting out on your road to ruin.
1.5% and you have problems, 8% and Denmark, and Norway have huge problems with 68% of all rapes being committed by the Third World immigrants and half of all other crimes. Sweden is even worse off, and the UK? They have more or less stopped counting the crimes.
How's it going with your Sudanese "guests"?
"Sorry mate, it is very peaceful down here"
I lived in Australia for quite some time, love, and knowing Australians I'll wager a bet I have seen much, much more of your country then you have.
I know the realities of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne (and Perth to some degree) even if you don't.
I also know the drunken, violent, dole bulging handout case you call aborigines very well too.
"where all of us are at present standing on our heads and farting in your general direction."
Keep on with the Pom bashing, your real problems are yet to come- and we don't include anywhere in them.
"it doesn't take someone's religious creed for a guy to believe that a woman deserves to be raped"
Funny how these Islamic scholars all think that Islam permits it though:
""Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim cleric currently on a controversial visit to Britain, believes that female rape victims should be punished if dressed "immodestly" when assaulted...
One question asked: "Are raped women punished in Islam?" A panel, headed by Mr al-Qaradawi, replied: "To be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct . . . Islam addresses women to maintain their modesty, as not to open the door for evil."
"The Koran calls upon Muslim women in general to preserve their dignity and modesty, just to save themselves from any harassment.
"So for a rape victim to be absolved from guilt, she must not be the one that opens . . . her dignity for deflowering."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=MVLAPL2I50LTZQFIQMGSM5WAVCBQWJVC?xml=/news/2004/07/11/ncleric11.xml
""An Islamic mufti in Copenhagen, Shahid Mehdi, has sparked political outcry from the left-wing Unity List and right-wing Danish People's Party, after stating in a televised interview that women who do not wear headscarves are "asking for rape."...
As a mufti, a jurist who interprets Islamic law, Shahi Mehdi is in a special position of authority as a Muslim scholar..."
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/82118.html
"CONTROVERSIAL Muslim leader Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali (Teh Mufti of Australia) has savaged Australia in an interview on Egyptian television...
The interview, in Arabic, was about the furore he created last year with a Ramadan sermon in which he compared scantily clad women with "uncovered meat", suggesting that they were responsible for rape, called women Satan's messengers to deceive men, and said thieves often stole because they were pressured by greedy women."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/11/1168105116655.html
" Presenter Amr Adib asked who was responsible for rape, and Sheikh Hilali replied that the man was responsible but the woman also had a responsibility for her behaviour.
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Fellow guest Sheikh Khalid al-Jindi, a regular commentator, interjected:
"Is it the flies' fault if the food is on display? If you put petrol and then add a spark, won't the street be on fire?"
Adib: "But where is the responsibility?"
Sheikh Jindi: "The responsibility is first, second and third with the woman — then with the man."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/01/11/1168105116655.html?page=2
"I lived in Australia for quite some time, love, and knowing Australians I'll wager a bet I have seen much, much more of your country then you have."
ReplyDeleteI will wager that you haven't.
I will also wager that I have seen more of the world than you have, but let's not turn this into a pissing contest.
"Funny how these Islamic scholars all think that Islam permits it though:"
That is just plainly incorrect. Not all muslim scholars think it is ok for women to be raped and not all muslims think it is ok for women to be raped.
You can find as many braindead males from all walks of life who think it is their right to rape women.
"I also know the drunken, violent, dole bulging handout case you call aborigines very well too."
Aborigines are also a very small % of the australian population, and once again you are leading with your fantasies rather than fact. It is obvious that all aborigines do not drink. It is also obvious that not all aborigines are on some sort of governement program. How many more starwman arguments have you got?
If your solution is to have a "white nation" where you and your little KKK mates can rule supreme, you are too late by a few hundred years.
Now, I agree on one issue, and that issue is that there should be a strict separation of church and state. Fundie christians don't want this and fundie muslims don't want this because it detracts from their power base.
If it was up to me, I would send all the people packing who didn't support the secular state. Lucky for them, I don't have that power.
The Italians, in common with most of sourthern Europe are hopelessly bastardised . Jews are either of Hebrew and middle eastern descent or Ashkenazi and of Khazar descent.
ReplyDeleteWho really cares about any of that crap?
From the semantics of your question, you clearly do not consider yourself to be white.
I like how you’re not addressing me any more. & you stumble from 1 racial stereotype to another.
I was referring mainly to the genetic destruction we face, but every facet of our culture is under attack- famaily, traditions even the right to display our national flag.
’Our’ culture? ‘Genetic destruction’? Are you fucking kidding me? It’s hard to believe (for me) that some folks are so lacking in self-esteem, it’s always someone else’s fault life isn’t giving them what they think they deserve.
Or is it that you’re just over-compensating?
Who built those cities and towns you live in?
Oh, & who began building 1st? While our ancestors were fighting fucking cave bears (I’m Irish/German), the Chinese, the Indians, the Mayans, & yes, the Africans were building empires. Advanced astronomy, mathematics, even the Incans practiced neurosurgery. The Arabs kept much of classical science & philosophy afloat during the Dark Ages.
Your race doesn't get credit for EVERYTHING. People get credit.
Who invented the machine and the infrastructure you use to communicate your contempt and the source that powers it, just for instance?
Sure, white folks implemented that, in Europe & America. Just remember who made peanut-butter possible, the next time you mouth the words, ‘mud people’. Remember who gave the concept of ‘zero’ to the Europeans? The Arabs. Who’d they get it from? India.
Our race isn’t the apex of humanity. Far from it. White people are just as alternately good ‘n bad as anyone else.
Why don't you give out your address so people can come visit you, tough guy?
You let me know next time you’re in California, big boy. I have a big problem w/skinheads. Knowing your type, you won’t come alone.
I notice that no-one has anything to say about the shocking (but predictable) non-white crime rate in Scandinavia now.
I live right next to Oakland, & I’ll tell ya what: there’s plenty of crime to go around, white or otherwise. I’ve been ripped off by every color under the rainbow – it’s not race exclusive. It’s about being poor, it’s about being under-privileged, it’s about a whole lotta equations. It’s NOT about color. Poor white folks are just as likely to rip you off as anyone else. I know from personal experience. & I read the papers.
As 1 middle-class white gentile male to another, as 1 human being to another: please get help.
Greg, Sorry to have upset you I was just going along with the April fools theme. I would put myself on the hawkish Zionist side of the jooos thing if I were looking to get categorized.
ReplyDeleteI don't like the idea of wars but do believe there are things worth fighting for like freedom and the western way of life. At least worth fighting to keep it from getting thrown into histories trash bin just so as not to upset some religiously violent Muslims who find this way of life offensive to their sensibilities. Yet these same people somehow find it more pious that I live in a cave and beat my wife with some regularity and blow up children to prove a point before I kill my sister for wanting to get out of an abusive relationship or maybe even for just wanting to be happy.
TARDs like the sentinel aren't much better if at all. I've lost track of how many non whitey folks he has ready for the chopping block, know doubt we have only scratched the surface of how deranged this person is. Facts will never matter to it. That Israel has been exonerated at 10 different independent hearings regarding the Liberty attack means nothing to him, That there is history of Jews being murdered by Muslims as documented in the Qu'ran means nothing only Jennin matters not context or history or the truth, there where at least 13 Jews living in Russia at some point which means they obviously were running the nation and are responsible for everything inside of its borders even to this very day.
That of course only applies to bad things. If anything good has happened in Joooo ran America or Russia or anyplace else it's whitey who did all the good things Joooos are only responsible for the bad.
I wonder if his sort ever look up philanthropy and Joooos, their contributions to society or focused only on the groups they admire and their past by only looking for only the negative influence they have had and what crimes they may have committed if that would begin to affect their thinking. Well actually I think I know the answer. They the stupid and easily brainwashed fools who don't care for facts. They just know the truth and that's how it is. Any proof they can find at a place like rense in-between the stories of UFO's is truth enough for them. Its an emotional response and they trust it because any facts printed or reported on in the Jews oops Joooos owned media must be false. The Jooos are out to get them.
beepbeepitsme,
ReplyDelete"I will wager that you haven't."
Having travelled around it twice in addition to running a tour business in Australia I'll guarantee I have.
"I will also wager that I have seen more of the world than you have, but let's not turn this into a pissing contest."
I very much doubt that too. Just after seven years in the army I had travelled to more places then most- and seen first hand the extremely violent results of civil implosion- let alone all the travel did after I let the army.
The only continent I have not set foot on is Antarctica.
"Not all muslim scholars think it is ok for women to be raped and not all muslims think it is ok for women to be raped."
Then they are not reading the Qur'ān corretly.
But, just out of interest, I have provided quite a few high ranking scholars who say it is OK, give some who say it is not.
"Aborigines are also a very small % of the australian population"
Yes, and look at their contribution to society:
"Aboriginal people are hugely over-represented in Australian prison populations. Nationally, Aboriginal people constitute less than 1% of the Australian population; however Aboriginal people constitute 19% of the total adult prison population, and approximately 40% of the juveniles in detention."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A12645939
"It is obvious that all aborigines do not drink"
I employed two members of the Kolunchen tribe, the only tribe known to abstain, and they made up for it with compulsive gambling.
The rest of them I met, and I met many, were hopeless drunks- they would spend their dole money on cheap cask wine and then go to the Salvos or St Vincent de Paul and the like and get food vouchers.
"is also obvious that not all aborigines are on some sort of governement program"
Some pick fruit when in season.
Here a few more snippets of your Third World immigration success story:
AUSTRALIA is set to drastically reduce its Sudanese refugee program this year. With growing community concern about the behavior of the refugees, Federal Cabinet will soon consider a proposal from Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews to reduce the intake from Horn of Africa nations.
Australia's humanitarian program has allowed thousands of Sudanese refugees to come to Australia in recent years. But there are growing doubts about the wisdom of the decision, especially with the rise of gangs of Sudanese youths and drunk drivers."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21166482-661,00.html
"IMMIGRANTS may have to wait a year to get a taxi licence because almost all of the suspects in 24 reported driver sex assaults since June were newcomers to Australia."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21114425-421,00.html
"POLICE in Melbourne fear the emergence of militant street gangs of young African refugees who have served in militia groups in their war-ravaged homelands.
A growing gangster mentality among young African men is worrying community leaders, who blame boredom, unemployment and drugs for turning young immigrants living in Melbourne's inner north towards violence and crime."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20973997-421,00.html
krystalline aposate,
"Who really cares about any of that crap?"
beaj, obviously, because it was a response to his question.
"I like how you’re not addressing me any more. & you stumble from 1 racial stereotype to another."
I wasn't addressing you, you clown, I was addressing beaj- can your read?
"It’s hard to believe (for me) that some folks are so lacking in self-esteem, it’s always someone else’s fault life isn’t giving them what they think they deserve"
What is this meant to achieve or state?
"the Chinese, the Indians, the Mayans, & yes, the Africans were building empire..."
The mayans attributed their science to the "great white fathers", they thought that the Spanish were the gods returning.
http://www.amazon.com/Bearded-White-God-Ancient-America/dp/1555177476
The Chinese like to paint their faces white (as do the Japanese) and Chinese archaeologists recently found hundreds of tombs containing Caucasian's, thought by some to be 4000 years old in Xiaohe, an arid north western province. They are totally mystified.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-05/22/content_597113.htm
The Indian Mahabharata is an Ayran saga and the Africans have produced nothing of note.
"You let me know next time you’re in California, big boy. I have a big problem w/skinheads. Knowing your type, you won’t come alone."
1) I am not a skinhead
2) You don't know me or my 'type'
2) You are just yet another internet hardman- I guarantee you would be the one with the problem, fella.
"I live right next to Oakland, & I’ll tell ya what: there’s plenty of crime to go around, white or otherwise"
What has that got to do with Scandinavia and their 68% Third World immigrant rape rate?
But anyway, with regards to blacks and crime, the city to top the 'least safe city 100' is Markham, Illinois, 78.9 % black. The safest city from the same statistics is Norwood, Pennsylvania, 97% white. The second least safest is East St, Louis, Illinois, 97.7% black. The second city ranked safest is Southport, New York, 89.4% white. The third least safest city is Washington Park, Illinois is 91.9% black; the third safest Pell City, Alabama is 82.5% white.
http://www.city-data.com/top27.html
http://www.city-data.com/top26.html
Can you see a pattern emerging here?
"I’ve been ripped off by every color under the rainbow"
Then you an idiot then, as I strongly suspected.
"As 1 middle-class white gentile male to another"
I am not middle class.
jhrhv,
You have nothing worth responding to.
sentinel:
ReplyDeleteI wasn't addressing you, you clown, I was addressing beaj- can your read?
Obviously - but your comprehension is pretty sad.
What is this meant to achieve or state?
See above.
The mayans attributed their science to the "great white fathers", they thought that the Spanish were the gods returning. […]The Indian Mahabharata is an Ayran saga and the Africans have produced nothing of note.
So let me get this straight: the white man is responsible for EVERY civilization of note? You’re attributing the spread of civilization to the Iranians? (They were the original Aryans.) Never mind Somalia & Arabia had trade routes to Cathay LONG before Marco Polo stumbled up there? You build up some ‘we’re the be-all & the end-all of the civlized world’ from some pretty slim premises there, pal. We all started in Africa (though you’ll deny that ferociously, I gather.)
You are just yet another internet hardman- I guarantee you would be the one with the problem, fella.
Talk is cheap.
What has that got to do with Scandinavia and their 68% Third World immigrant rape rate?
It was an analogy. I’ve seen some pretty wild shit. Far too much to attribute any particular attribute to any specific race.
Poor folks, whether white or not, commit crimes. Boredom, despair, and poverty: these have far more to do w/any statistics than skin color. You’d like to see crime gone? Do your part to eliminate poverty.
Can you see a pattern emerging here?
Yes, but not the one you keep pointing to. See above.
Then you an idiot then, as I strongly suspected.
Said the raven to the crow, “My, how black you are.”
I am not middle class.
Then subtract that, & listen anyways.
All civilization to date is just 1 vast interlocking tapestry. Every country, every RACE has contributed. Some more than others. There is NO ‘superior’ race. Minor genetic differentials are NOT the criterion for being more ‘advanced’.
You might want to take another look-see at your yardstick. It’s terribly flawed.
krystalline apostate,
ReplyDelete"So let me get this straight: the white man is responsible for EVERY civilization of note?"
Most of them, it would seem.
"You’re attributing the spread of civilization to the Iranians?"
They lay claim to that. So do some Afghanis, and quite a few Indians. Of course, they are far removed now from what they were, but n Iran, afgahnisatn and India it is still fairly common for ostensibly Indian, Iranian or Afghani children to be born with blue eyes and/ or blond hair- despite both parents and much further back being dark-in a genetic throwback to the past.
"Never mind Somalia & Arabia had trade routes to Cathay LONG before Marco Polo stumbled up there?"
Then what were those whites doing in China 2,100 years ago, LONG before the Arabs and Somalians?
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-05/22/content_597113.htm
"We all started in Africa (though you’ll deny that ferociously, I gather.)"
That is just a theory and nothing else.
Actually, natural history shows that whites just appeared in the Caucus mountains, no one knows where from.
Hence the term Caucasian.
"It was an analogy. I’ve seen some pretty wild shit."
Nothing compared to places like Bosnia and Rwanda, I'll bet.
"Poor folks, whether white or not, commit crimes"
Criminals commit crimes.
But, being middle class what do you know of poverty?
"Yes, but not the one you keep pointing to. See above."
The pattern is the same wherever the Third Worlders are let into civilisation, for example, apart from the statistics I gave you:
USA
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"Blacks were almost three times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail."
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/jails.htm
"About half the US nation’s 2.2 million prisoners are black. With only 36 million of us, that’s an astounding 3% of African Americans, counting all ages and both sexes, languishing behind bars, with a roughly equal number on probation, parole, house arrest or other court supervision. Almost one in three 18-year-old black males across the board is likely to catch a felony conviction, and in some communities nearly half the black male workforce under 40 have criminal records"
http://www.blackcommentator.com/146/146_cover_dixon_ten_worst.html
Denmark
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"Alarmed at last week's police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority"
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html
"a 1998 Justice Ministry survey on crime, which found that immigrants were over-represented by an average of 46 per cent. In addition, the recent publication of a report from the Copenhagen police shows that 47.5 per cent of prisoners on remand for serious crimes such as murder, attempted murder and rape come from immigrant backgrounds."
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62173.html
Norway
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"Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily"
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
Sweden
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"Immigrants behind 25% of Swedish crime
Immigrants in Sweden are four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than persons born in Sweden to Swedish parents, the National Council for Crime Prevention said on Wednesday.
Immigrants were also three times more likely to be investigated for assault and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes.
Among foreigners suspected of offences, those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented."
http://www.thelocal.se/2683/20051214/
Australia
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Australia's humanitarian program has allowed thousands of Sudanese refugees to come to Australia in recent years. But there are growing doubts about the wisdom of the decision, especially with the rise of gangs of Sudanese youths and drunk drivers."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,21166482-661,00.html
"IMMIGRANTS may have to wait a year to get a taxi licence because almost all of the suspects in 24 reported driver sex assaults since June were newcomers to Australia."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21114425-421,00.html
"POLICE in Melbourne fear the emergence of militant street gangs of young African refugees who have served in militia groups in their war-ravaged homelands.
A growing gangster mentality among young African men is worrying community leaders, who blame boredom, unemployment and drugs for turning young immigrants living in Melbourne's inner north towards violence and crime."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20973997-421,00.html
UK
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"Black youngsters are five times more likely to be in prison"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/black_crime.shtml
Are you seriously suggesting that these Third Worlders are all living in absolute poverty in such diverse and affluent nations such as Denmark, UK, Australia, etc. and that these countries built special slums for them to emigrate into? just soo they could have some poor blacks or asians living in their cities?
And what the hell does mass rape have to do with not having much money?
There is a genetic disposition to these things, it is blindingly obvious- people like you making excuses for it makes the problem a whole lot worse.
"Talk is cheap"
Finally he gets the point.
"Said the raven to the crow, “My, how black you are.”
You must be an idiot if you allow yourself to keep getting ripped off so many times- do you not learn?
"There is NO ‘superior’ race"
Where did I say superior?
"We all started in Africa (though you’ll deny that ferociously, I gather.)"
ReplyDeleteThat is just a theory and nothing else.
Actually, natural history shows that whites just appeared in the Caucus mountains, no one knows where from.
Hence the term Caucasian.
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Classic
sentinel:
ReplyDeleteThey lay claim to that. So do some Afghanis, and quite a few Indians. Of course, they are far removed now from what they were, but n Iran, afgahnisatn and India it is still fairly common for ostensibly Indian, Iranian or Afghani children to be born with blue eyes and/ or blond hair- despite both parents and much further back being dark-in a genetic throwback to the past.
I’m guessing that’s more or less sporadic, or we’d see/hear of it more often.
Then what were those whites doing in China 2,100 years ago, LONG before the Arabs and Somalians?
I’m not denying there was intermixtures between societies: but that’s HARDLY proof that white people transported civilization to China. The Mongols were likely related to the Huns/Burgundians. It just shows it’s a smaller world than we thought, is all.
That is just a theory and nothing else.
It’s a theory in #1 of the definition –
http://www.answers.com/theory. Thus far, 0 for 10.
Actually, natural history shows that whites just appeared in the Caucus mountains, no one knows where from.
Now THAT is a theory, in the sense of definition #6. So what, we as a race ‘evolved’ separately from the rest of humanity? That’s some strong shit you’re smoking.
Criminals commit crimes.
I’m sure the CEOs of Enron were primarily white.
But, being middle class what do you know of poverty?
Let’s just say that I’ve been around the block.
The pattern is the same wherever the Third Worlders are let into civilisation, for example, apart from the statistics I gave you:
I’m not even touching those stats until you concede that the bulk of these folks are actually below the poverty level. Less affluent OBVIOUSLY means more crime. Of course, if they’re white & rich, they steal, maim, kill, etc. The differential being that societies don’t go after their more influential members as often.
Are you seriously suggesting that these Third Worlders are all living in absolute poverty in such diverse and affluent nations such as Denmark, UK, Australia, etc. and that these countries built special slums for them to emigrate into? just soo they could have some poor blacks or asians living in their cities?
That’s just a ridiculous comment. 1st off, define absolute poverty. There’s different levels. 2nd, as long as any 1st world country brings allows immigrants, there’s going to be some criminality: if we as a country were reduced to 3rd world status overnight, & immigrated to Canada (or any 1st world country), we’d be just as likely to slant towards criminal offenses. 3rd, I’d like to see stats as to who is more well behaved as to immigration – or perhaps you’ve never heard of the Russian Mafia? Oh wait: they’re mongrels, or somesuch thing.
And what the hell does mass rape have to do with not having much money?
If you can’t figure that out, then I’m giving you too much credit.
There is a genetic disposition to these things, it is blindingly obvious- people like you making excuses for it makes the problem a whole lot worse.
There is NOT a genetic disposition to these things – it’s entirely contingent on how much is in your wallet, what environment you’re raised in, how many different avenues of opportunity are available to the individual.
You must be an idiot if you allow yourself to keep getting ripped off so many times- do you not learn?
Did I say that was ongoing? No, I didn’t. Did I give the timeline? No. Let’s just say that
A. It’s a rare event these days (I can hardly control when someone breaks into my car, but that hardly ever occurs), &
B. I was very young – decades have passed.
Where did I say superior?
You’ve inferred as much. You want to give our ‘race’ all the credit for civilization: you claim there’s a ‘genetic predisposition’: you trot out all these race-based stats (w/o a poverty demarcation line): you’re CLEARLY in favor of some sort of isolationism: you carry on about ‘genetic destruction’: & you think the Caucasian race just ‘popped’ into existence as superior to all others.
We are NOT the creme de la creme of humanity. We're just people.
You obviously didn't know that then.
ReplyDeleteKA, you are giving him way too much credit. Anyone who thinks it is possible for Caucasians to magically appear separately is a lunatic.
ReplyDeleteHitler's boys were working on a "theory" that Aryans came from the centre of the earth.
My guess is this turd doesn't have a clue about evolution.
Choke on this Sentinel.
ReplyDeletesentinel
ReplyDeleteThe point is that anyone can pull negative statistics about any group of people if they so desire.
I could pull statistics that make the average american look like a complete and utter hickoid, or pull statistics that make the white population of Britain look like racist, zenophobic, violent homophobes.
The point is that the people you are trying to malign are not only a small % of the population, but you also wish to imply that these people have either mental, social or economic problems because of skin color.
You show me where genetically, one's skin color, hair color, eye color etc impacts negatively or positively upon one's socio-economic, or moral status.
Now, by this, I don't mean for you to conflate skin color with crime. If you happen to know what conflation is. Anybody can conflate one thing with another and pretend that one is the cause of the other.
No "excluded middles" in your evidence thanks.
krystalline apostate,
ReplyDelete"I’m guessing that’s more or less sporadic, or we’d see/hear of it more often."
Its not hugely widespread, but It is still relatively common, even in northern Pakistan too.
"The Mongols were likely related to the Huns/Burgundians"
Your understanding is way off- Hungary was named after the Asiatic invaders who had their HQ in Budapest. The east Europeans absorbed a fair amount of Asiatic blood over the centuries, but they are not related.
"Now THAT is a theory"
Yes, and its not mine of origin by any means.
"I’m sure the CEOs of Enron were primarily white."
And I thought it was poverty that caused crime?
"I’m not even touching those stats until you concede that the bulk of these folks are actually below the poverty level."
They have absloulty no reason to be: In the UK where as in the US we have "positive discrimination" (or "affirmative action" to you) and race quotas; equal access to education and social security. The same opportunities as everyone else.
The same applies in the even more affluent and higher living standard Scandinavian bloc.
"or perhaps you’ve never heard of the Russian Mafia"
More correctly known as the Jewish Mafia.
http://www.erichufschmid.net/RussianMafia_RaphaelJohnson_TBR.pdf
"There is NOT a genetic disposition to these things "
It mainly goes with levels of intelligence- and race and IQ are very much interdependent.
Considering Third Worlders have a hugely disproportionate effwect on every countris crime rate they reside it in, its all just too coincidental that they are not more inclined to criminality.
"Did I say that was ongoing?"
Once is bad luck.
Twice...
" you’re CLEARLY in favor of some sort of isolationism"
Yes, I am, not in a "superiority" based apartheid society.
beaj,
"My guess is this turd doesn't have a clue about evolution."
But off course you, the missing link, know its more then just a theory.
"Choke on this Sentinel."
If any of that were true- it was just pigmentation then ut would not be a decisive factor in traits such as IQ and disease.
The fact that the races have vastly varying attributes bound by soley by common genetics disproves the 'just the colour of your skin' nonsense.
"A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.
The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."
The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.
"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.
"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables," said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. That's why Jensen and I looked at the genetic hypothesis in detail. We examined 10 categories of evidence."
The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa."
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530
"A number of genetic disorders occur more frequently in certain ethnic populations.In the Ashkenazi Jewish population (those of Eastern European descent), it has been estimated that one in four individuals is a carrier of one of several genetic conditions.These diseases include Tay-Sachs Disease, Canavan, Niemann-Pick, Gaucher, Familial Dysautonomia, Bloom Syndrome, Fanconi anemia, Cystic Fibrosis and Mucolipidosis IV"
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Health/genetics.html
Beep, in other words, you want him to provide evidence that Angelina's Jolie's adopted black children are more likely to rape or commit other crimes than her adopted white children.
ReplyDeleteBEAJ: Correct.
ReplyDeleteSentinel, without posting links, do you believe in evolution?
ReplyDeleteIf not, how old is the earth?
Were Adam and Eve white?
Do you believe in a special creation for white people, and when do you "think" it happened?
The poor boy does seem to have a major problem with conflation.
ReplyDeleteWhat Sentiturd is referring to of course is eugenics, a pseudo-scientific theory brought first to life by Galton, Darwin's cousin. It became quickly adopted as a rationale for race discrimination, colonisation and slavery.
ReplyDeleteEugenics was, right from the start a rather mixed bag of "theories" attempting to prove racial superiority of White Man. Some believed that black people were the result of crossbreeding between whites and apes. Other quack theories, some wilder than others, were brought forward to justify a means to an end. Christian doctrine adopted its own version, based on the idea that G-d must be white, Jesus was white and so were Adam and Eve. If that's not proof of an ultimate White Master Race, then what is? (lol)
In Britain, eugenics quickly degraded into a farce (if it wasn't so tragical), identifying also a "Cockney race", a "criminal race", a "Yorkshire race", etc, ad absurdum...
Eugenics reached its pinnacle under Sentifucktard's friends, the original Herrenvolk, the Nazis. But prior to the Jewish holocaust, white man, broadly speaking using eugenics and Social Darwinism as a justification, had already committed several white-on-black genocides, most notably the slave trade, the Congolese holocaust (under Leopold II of Belgium) and the Namibian holocaust (by Germans). Das Herrenvolk learnt a lot from the Namibian experience and basically put it to work at a grander, more systematic scale in a near-successful bid to exterminate European Jewry and so rid the continent from an "inferior race".
After WW II, eugenics continued to exert its pernicious influence in the US (see race segregation under Jim Crow laws), as well as in South Africa under Apartheid. It continues to live on today, ironically mostly in the more moronic part of the white population's imagination. Old crocs die hard.
As a theory it has been completely debunked and dismissed as nothing more than pseudo-science.
Genetic research shows very clearly that there are no human races, only gene pools which are completely compatible and very intertwined. A few (very few, in fact) genes that control skin pigmentation, eye and hair colour and facial traits create the illusion of complete distinctiveness. And as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the idea that one's "own race" must be superior to "other races" is easy to sell to an uneducated public, especially if that public stands to gain economically in a spectacular way, as has been the case in all major white-on-non-white crimes.
What is of course positively bizarre is that Senticunt loves eugenics and yet seems to point to Jewish Supremacy, or is he just thinking of them "Jooo Conspiracy Genes"?
It's very easy to abuse pseudo-genetics to try and prove points of which the racist was already convinced of in the first place. White Man's economic, technological and military advantage over RoW has been gained largely by means of brutal exploitation of other ethnic groups, most notably Black African of course. We are truly the meanest sons of bitches that have walked this earth and SentiNazi is a living embodiment of this.
It's a sad tribute to eugenics that we still use the term "racism", a complete misnomer, given that there are no human races.
RE: "The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa."
ReplyDeleteWhat you fail to understand is that you have conflated small genetic physical differences such as hair colur, skin colour, face shape etc with IQ.
This is why I keep asking you to provide evidence that the differences you are harping on about can be demonstrated to be the result of genetics. You wish to infer that they are, or to presume that they are, and yet there is NO scientific evidence that suggests that black hair is a detriment to IQ, or that blonde hair is beneficial to IQ.
I will put you out of your misery by moving you in a different direction. The differences that you try to attribute to race, (genetic differences), would make a better case if you attempted to correlate culture and behavioural trends.
You would still need to provide some extremely indepth information in order to demonstrate that culture has an effect on IQ, as IQ itself, might be considered to be a culturally specific trait.
I will listen to an argument about how different cultures may effect behaviour, but an argument about differences based on small genetic differences like hair colour, do not have an effect on IQ. Nor do they reflect an increased tendency to commit criminal offences.
The "race argument" is just simply misguided and ignorant.
Beep x2:
ReplyDeletePersonally I believe that IQ tests are practically worthless and a form of racist science, much like most other forms of psychometric testing. Stephen Jay Gould put it like this:
The Mismeasure of Man skeptically investigates "the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status."
Human "intelligence" is hard enough to actually define, let alone measure accurately. IQ test results correlate to a multitude of factors, pointing out that a multitude of factors actually influence a person or group's results. That there may be some innateness to our intellectual capacity may well be true. But such "traits" as "intelligence", "criminal tendencies", "alcoholic tendencies", etc etc are so complex that it's de facto impossible to separate what might be genetic and what is culturally determined (nurture v. nature).
The greatest fallacy of quackery like eugenics is that it attempts to treat humans as peas that follow the simple Mendelian rules of inheritance. But complex traits that are difficult to accurately define and are likely to be influenced (if at all) by entire reams of genes, do not follow such simple patterns of inheritance. Creating a "master race" by selective breeding would almost certainly be an impossibility. That's apart from the fact that I don't particularly want to be told who to breed with and who not.
In its more benign and naive form, eugenics aims at creating a happier, better, stronger Homo Sapiens. But that could be achieved much easier by creating justice and more equality for the members of our species. To some extent that has already been achieved but greed, vested interests and old fallacies continue to undermine efforts at making the human family a happier bunch. We'll never get it right.
beepbeepitsme,
ReplyDelete"The point is that anyone can pull negative statistics about any group of people if they so desire"
You can only pull them if they are there to be pulled.
Are you seriously suggesting that all of these crime figures are wrong, or manufactured?
That countries that import Third Worlders wholesale as far apart as the UK to Norway to Australia only do so to set the immigrants up and / or lie about their criminal conduct?
"I could pull statistics that make the average american look like a complete and utter hickoid, or pull statistics that make the white population of Britain look like racist, zenophobic, violent homophobes."
Those aren't quantifiable statistics but merely opinion yard sticks- obtained by a sample of a few thousand at best- and then projected onto to tens of millions.
Easily manipulated and notoriously inaccurate.
The figures I have supplied vis a vis Third Worlders and crime are real, you just don't like them because they counter you naive, deluded political beliefs.
"You show me where genetically, one's skin color, hair color, eye color etc impacts negatively or positively upon one's socio-economic, or moral status."
Bloody hell woman- look at Africa for christ sakes.
Not just a socio-economic disaster but a living hell on earth with such gems as this:
"Two (South African) men are due to appear at a court in Johannesburg on Tuesday, accused of raping a five-month-old girl who was discovered covered in blood and in tears.
It is the latest in a series of rapes of baby girls - some of them involving children less than one year-old, which has left South Africans reeling with horror.
Every day the newspapers bring awful revelations: a nine-month-old girl gang-raped by six men; an eight-month-old raped and left by the roadside.
Rape statistics from South Africa are so shocking as to be almost unbelievable - women's rights activists say one South African is raped every 26 seconds.
It is the young who are particularly vulnerable, with the police saying that more teenagers are raped than any other age group..."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1703595.stm
Why don't you move to South Africa and try to tell them that they are really noble creatures and see how far you get.
"If you happen to know what conflation is"
That's my language your using, love, and I hardly need lessons in it from a colonial.
"The poor boy does seem to have a major problem with conflation."
No, funny enough I have been busy.
But it is typically arrogant Australian thinking. You use my language and assume it as your own, along with every other facet of life that you think you invented but were, in reality left by the English- from your language to your laws to your infrastructures to your political system to most of your place names.
God save your Queen!
"What you fail to understand is that you have conflated small genetic physical differences such as hair colur, skin colour, face shape etc with IQ."
What you fail to understand is that it is not me doing this but highly qualified scientists.
"The racial difference in IQ is well known to specialists (even if not to the media) and well discussed by them. There has been less attention paid to racial differences in personality...of why race matters. Here again, Levin's role as philosopher comes in. He argues that whether the causes of black poverty and suffering is genetic is indeed important. If it is due to something that white people did, possibly the blacks have some claim for compensation (although the question would still have to be addressed of whether the whites now living were the ones who owed the compensation). However, Professor Levin argues that the black problems are due to genetic causes. Since no one is responsible for their own genes or for the genes of other people, this absolves the white community (and white individuals) of responsibility for black problems..."
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/stalkers/em_wrm.html
"A review of the world literature on brain size and IQ by Rushton [Rushton, J. P. (1995). Race, evolution, and behavior: a life history perspective. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction] found that African-descended people (Blacks) average cranial capacities of 1267 cm[3], European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm[3], and East Asian-descended people (East Asians) 1364 cm[3]. These brain size differences, containing millions of brain cells and hundreds of millions of synapses, were hypothesized to underlie the race differences on IQ tests, in which Blacks average an IQ of 85, Whites 100, and East Asians 106. The validity of the race differences in brain size, however, continues to be disputed...
If the races did not differ in brain size, these correlations could not have been found. It must be concluded that the race differences in average brain size are securely established. As such, brain size-related variables provide the most likely biological mediators of the race differences in intelligence."
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14522791
"You wish to infer that they are, or to presume that they are, and yet there is NO scientific evidence that suggests that black hair is a detriment to IQ, or that blonde hair is beneficial to IQ."
There is reams of it and I have provided links to some, but you choose to ignore or disbelieve it because it does not suit your view.
"The "race argument" is just simply misguided and ignorant."
Race is a fact that pervades every feature of human existence, down to our very blood:
"Publishing the ethnic differences in Blood type and the racial differences in Blood type is not, in the present-day world, considered to be politically correct...These racial and ethnic Blood typing and population migration statistics are important in modern medicine for many reasons. The overriding problem in obtaining and publishing this information in the United States, and to a slightly lesser extent in Western Europe, is political correctness. It is not nice to talk about the ways that I may be different from you! "
http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.html
beaj,
"black children are more likely to rape or commit other crimes than her adopted white children."
Depends on where they are.
In Denmark, if you are raped then you have a 68% chance of it being by a Third Worlder, if you are subjected to another crime you a 50-50 chance of it being committed against you by a Third Worlder, but considering that they only comprise 8% of the population and we are only talking about crimes that have led to conviction we can drastically increase those odds.
You have some crime statistics for other countries to work out for yourselves your more then above average, hugely disproportionate chance of being criminally violated in some way in some way by Third Worlders.
"do you believe in evolution?"
I wasn't aware it was an act of faith.
"If not, how old is the earth?"
Your guess is a s good as mine and as good as anyone's.
"Were Adam and Eve white?"
They were fables, I believe.
"Do you believe in a special creation for white people, and when do you "think" it happened?"
I am convinced we developed separately, as to where is a mystery.
gert,
Despite the long diatribe you posted none of it is accurate to my position.
Modern science proves race, and the varying attributes of the races.
Sentinel:
ReplyDeleteIt isn't a mystery where white folks originated from, the only mystery is exactly when the first "whites" evolved and exactly where. Every person on this planet traces back to a common ancestor in Africa. You like quoting real scientists, well that is what scientists know.
Don't get "smart," do you accept evolution as fact?
Gert, I've stated this before, I do believe that people have varying degrees of intelligence, and that it is not all nurture. I think two stupid people have a better chance of having a stupid child than two smart parents. I think that is common sense.
Evolution doesn't mean that all members of the same species when isolated geographically have to evolve the same. And I do believe the brain evolves. In the animal kingdom there are a lot of dumb animals, and even looking at dogs, there are breeds that are much smarter than others. And this was accomplished in a relatively short period of time.
Breeds of dogs that were put into a position to have to think more, at least seem more intelligent than others.
Stan Koren wrote a book a doggy IQ. Border collies, like Daisy wound up on the top of the list while Afghans I think wound up on the bottom. To be fair, he based the IQ on tests he developed. These included how many repetitions it took for a dog to learn a trick or command.
So yes, I think an isolated culture could either be smarter on average or dumber on average, though I believe that as the world becomes smaller, this will become less of a factor over time.
BEAJ:
ReplyDeleteSentinel has yet to quote one scientist that I have actually ever heard of. Just one. The age of the earth is anybody's guess according to this loon but his racial theories, served up by "scientists" that no one has ever heard of, are all 100% correct. Mainstream scientists are all in cahoots with the Joooos, of course.
Endless reels of crime statistics by cut 'n paste and only one explanation: the racial superiority of White Man. There are no social factors or other possible causes for any real or perceived problems, only racial traits explain everything. If I had to believe in racial traits, I'd really have to believe in White Man's genetic propensity to commit genocide. But that's bullshit too.
250 years of eugenics and related thought cost the lives of millions and plunged even more into abject poverty and dependency. Yet this set of ideas refuses to go away. It served only one purpose: the enrichment of White Europe and later White America. Perhaps such lucrative theories will never die...
Re. IQ and intelligence. Be honest and try to define "intelligent" and "stupid". You'll see how hard it is and how easy for me to demolish your definitions. Common sense just doesn't cut it.
"Every person on this planet traces back to a common ancestor in Africa. You like quoting real scientists, well that is what scientists know."
ReplyDeleteIt is not what they "know" at all.
It is a hypothesis, nothing more, nothing less.
"Don't get "smart," do you accept evolution as fact?"
You couched the question in those terms- as if a response to the negaitive would bring the evolution equivalent Orweillan charge "climate charge denier."
Certain componets of the evolution theory make sense. Adaptive traits and the like, but "facts" like Dolphins used to walk the earth, went to the sea, returned to the earth and then returned to the sea are just plain ridiculous- and I have heard this said by more then one evolution scientist. How would such a process even begin?
If all Humans were to stand only neck deep in water from now on how long do you think it would take for us to develop fins?
No one knows who we really are, where we came from and what we are doing here, if anything.
If anyone says they know the answer to all of those question, they are lying.
Sentinel, science does know the age of the earth and does know that man originated out of Africa. These are facts.
ReplyDeleteWhales have tiny remnants of hind legs. Why do they have them?
I don't think you have any understanding of evolution, or very little by your fin comment.
I'm starting to think you are a 15 year old. You just give off that vibe.
There is tons of evidence to support that man came out of Africa. Face it boy, your ancestors like mine were what you would call "coons."
Gert, Cletus on the Simpsons is what I call stupid. Kidding aside, I would define intelligence as something related to the amount of time it takes for someone to understand something new combined with that persons ability to retain it and possibly use it in the future and combine it with other concepts retained or just learned.
All things being equal, I don't think two people who have experienced and learned exactly the same things in life, will do equally well on a non culturally based test. I believe there is some degree of intelligence that is prewired.
beaj,
ReplyDelete"science does know the age of the earth and does know that man originated out of Africa. These are facts."
Like I told you, it is a hypothesis, not fact.
New finds are discovered constantly and new hypothesises are put forward continually.
Like this one to emerge only yesterday in the news...
"Where do we come from? Just asking the question is part of what defines us as human beings, explaining our fascination with genealogy and our family trees.
And the most intriguing question of all, and much the hardest to resolve, is where we sprang from as humans in the first place.
Up to now, the dominant view has been that we are all descended from a small group of direct ancestors who emerged from a single 'cradle of civilisation' in Africa, fully evolved as modern humans, sometime in the past 100,000 years. Some scientists even believe that we all descend from a single woman, an African Eve.
The theory is that these early Homo sapiens gradually spread around the globe, wiping out any older species, like the Neanderthals, without interbreeding with them.
But a new discovery suggests that it is not as simple as that. Scientists yesterday published the results of tests on bones, accidentally found by workmen in a Chinese cave, which they say shows they are the remains of a hybrid human, a cross between Homo sapiens and an earlier human species."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=446558&in_page_id=1770
"Whales have tiny remnants of hind legs. Why do they have them?"
Why do we have appendix?
"There is tons of evidence to support that man came out of Africa. Face it boy, your ancestors like mine were what you would call "coons."
No, there isn't- just a few strands woven together in one elaborate hypothesis.
See above for just one big problem with the theory.
" I believe there is some degree of intelligence that is prewired."
Yes it is, in race.
How do you account for this:
"A review of the world literature on brain size and IQ by Rushton [Rushton, J. P. (1995). Race, evolution, and behavior: a life history perspective. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction] found that African-descended people (Blacks) average cranial capacities of 1267 cm[3], European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm[3], and East Asian-descended people (East Asians) 1364 cm[3]. These brain size differences, containing millions of brain cells and hundreds of millions of synapses, were hypothesized to underlie the race differences on IQ tests, in which Blacks average an IQ of 85, Whites 100, and East Asians 106. The validity of the race differences in brain size, however, continues to be disputed...
If the races did not differ in brain size, these correlations could not have been found. It must be concluded that the race differences in average brain size are securely established. As such, brain size-related variables provide the most likely biological mediators of the race differences in intelligence."
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14522791
Sentinel, we have an appendix because our ancestors needed them for survival. Though it is debated that it serves a purpose today, we don't need them anymore.
ReplyDeleteWhales have leg remnants because their ancestors used to walk on earth.
These are scientific facts, and if you like, go find a scientific piece of research that runs contrary to this.
When our direct ancestors diverged from chimps around 5 million years ago, there was up to 1 million years of interbreeding that went on. That is something very common to evolution. It wouldn't be shocking if Neanderthals and homo sapiens or our direct ancestors also interbred. The jury is still out. But what we do know is that every human alive today trace back to a mitochondrial Eve who lived in Africa 150,000 years ago. That means you, me, other retards like you, and all the Jews on this planet who are superior to you, trace back to the same female in Africa.
Sure, you might be wreaking of Neanderthal blood too, that is unknown right now.
BEAJ:
ReplyDelete"I believe there is some degree of intelligence that is prewired."
Agreed. But I guess we'd disagree to the extent of the degree. It's virtually impossible to measure, partly because societal factors cannot be eliminated from any tests or correlations.
On the age of the earth, evolutionary biology, quantum physics, relativity etc etc it's important to note that these are neither facts nor hypotheses. They are theories, based on hypotheses and supported by a wealth of empirical evidence. Observable and reproducible evidence which builds a strong case up to the point where the theory is proven beyond reasonable doubt but without absolute certainty.
The idea that the age of the earth is "anybody's guess" is simply incorrect. Sent, you'd be dismissing an overwhelmingly strong body of evidence that grows every day and ties in with other scientific paradigms such as big bang cosmology.
"No one knows who we really are, where we came from and what we are doing here, if anything."
That's the "we know nothing" approach. Strictly speaking that is true but it's impossible to argue with vast areas of scientific paradigms in practical terms.
Slightly off topic:
Ever heard of the Dutch self-proclaimed philosopher and medium Jozef Rulof?
Bizarre mix of Christianity, racism, distorted Eastern philosophy (karma and reincarnation), psycho-babble and all served with a good dollop of anti-Semitism. Hitler was a reincarnate sent to Earth to rid the Joooos of bad collective karma... yeah, right!
beaj,
ReplyDelete"Sentinel, we have an appendix because our ancestors needed them for survival. Though it is debated that it serves a purpose today, we don't need them anymore."
What did we need them for though?
"These are scientific facts, and if you like, go find a scientific piece of research that runs contrary to this."
No, they are no "scientific facts" they are merely hypothesis, and considering you accept that I can find scientific research to counter it there seems little point in doing it.
From Wikipedia:
ReplyDeleteThe appendix is thought to have descended from an organ in our distant herbivorous ancestors called the cecum (or cæcum). The cecum is maintained in modern herbivores, where it houses the bacteria that digest cellulose, a chemically tough carbohydrate that these animals could not otherwise utilize. The human appendix contains no significant number of these bacteria, and cellulose is indigestible to humans. It seems likely that the appendix lost this function before human ancestors became recognizably human.
I don't want to get in a semantics contest, but let me stay away from the term scientific fact because of your wilful ignorance. The age of the earth as Gert mentions is a theory based on oodles and oodles of empirical evidence, and no contrary evidence.
The same is true for evolution. The same is true for whale evolution. Any evolution as a matter of fact.
I don't know if you "think" you know it all and there is no room for improvement, but you seem lacking in knowledge of evolution. I am a novice myself and I am open to learn. You seem to "know-it-all" or better yet "not-know-it-all"....
Gert, I think this dude is an agnostic when it comes to facts and science.
Again, Sentinel, you are related to every Joooooo on this planet, like it or not.
sentinel:
ReplyDeleteIt seems you're all over the place.
You say:
I am convinced we developed separately, as to where is a mystery.
AND THEN YOU SAY:
Like I told you, it is a hypothesis, not fact.
About evolution, which is about as abysmally deficient in scientific understanding as you can possibly get (can you say 'confirmation bias'? C'mon, repeat after me.)
Then you get deliberately cagey about what a 'fact' is, which apparently it's only that when you agree w/it. And this is a gem:
If all Humans were to stand only neck deep in water from now on how long do you think it would take for us to develop fins?
If you think it 1 generation, then that would be Lamarckianism, which has been thoroughly thrown out.
Currently, evolution address the species, not the beginning, so those're 2 different fields.
You say you're not in favor of an apartheid-style govt. (or isolation), yet you seem to have all the earmarks: the 'others' are more criminal, the 'others' are less intelligent, the 'others' are more disease-ridden. It sounds like you're all in favor of a geniocracy, one that's run by white folk.
As to your much vaunted I.Q parameters, let me pull out an historical example: Lewis & Clark.
I'm willing to bet good money that if Sacagawea hadn't accompanied them, their names would've been lost to history. Why? Because their guide had a higher 'I.Q' in relation to the environment.
sentinel
ReplyDeleteBrain size does not always equate to intelligence. Brain mass might. Brain size or brain mass is not indicated to be genetically specific.
Try again.
Elephants have much larger brains than humans, but intelligent as elephants are, nobody believes they are smarter than humans.
ReplyDeleteA larger brain is not by itself evidence for genetics any more than IQ scores are.
ReplyDeleteBeep, our English David Duke here probably thinks that lighter skinned elephants are smarter than dark skinned elephants. He probably thinks that light skin elephants don't share the same ancestor as dark skin elephants.
ReplyDeleteOh, and he isn't doing well as a spokesman for whitey's intelligence either.
This has run its course, I suspect.
ReplyDeleteWhen you cannot deny facts you dismiss them as irreverent;
From gerts
"It's a sad tribute to eugenics that we still use the term "racism", a complete misnomer, given that there are no human races."
Despite the fact the it is very well established in science that race pervades everything in humanity- determining everything from physical appearance to genetic disease to average intelligence to temperament.
The fact that blacks, for instance, have a vastly lower IQ on average is also well established, as well as having much smaller cranial capacities and around 30% less brain convolutions.
That their failure in school is obviously an indictor of this is well known too.
"The underachievement of ethnic minority pupils in school...Different ethnic minority groups have different experiences, in terms of academic progress, attainment, exclusions, harassment and bullying," said the union's General Secretary, Nigel de Gruchy"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/303918.stm
Needless to say, blacks fare the worst in all areas; although of course, more excuses are used- its teacher racism (even if they don't know there doing it, apparently.)
That is all we hear about black and "minority" failure- excuses.
From Africa and the Middle East to Asia, where they run unmitigated disasters of countries to our own societies where they become a violent, sullen and costly weight around our feet- it is never their fault or their own limitations responsible. It is everyone else fault.
That they have every opportunity in education and employment- in fact more given the "positive discrimination" discrimination and race quotas- but still largly fail and end up at the bottom is everyone else fault.
That they are vastly over represented in crime- a result of both their failure and their intelligence and temperament- is not their fault. It is someone else's.
That this happens in every country they reside in, as diverse as the US to the US, Norway to France, Denmark to Australia is either just coincidence or further evidence of the nasty white folks all colluding to keep the dark man down.
Its never their own fault, or inherent limitations responsible.
And when the new Sudanese "refugees" into Australia turn out to be extremely violent and criminal in outlook, it is not their fault. Its the "war" they escaped from. (The fact is Africa is one big non-stop conflict, its the way they live.)
The same excuses that were totted out for the Lebanese and Vietnamese in Australia, and now look at the second and third generations grip on crime. The same excuse rattled out in Denmark till they found "leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls."
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/62605.html
But of course even then its not their fault. It is society holding them down, despite all the equal opportunities on offer.
Its always some excuse to avoid the reality.
But you will find out in Australia very soon and very fast the violent disaster heading your way, it will hit you much harder and faster then it did in the 'west' because of your small populace.
Already the excuses are being reeled out, but you wait until it becomes endemic; then the excuse will fly.
And they will all tell you that is your own fault that these people you showed compassion and refuge to, now murder you, rob you and rape you wholesale.
Good luck.
Bacon:
ReplyDeleteSent is a cherry picker when it comes to science. He reels off endless sources of "race science" by people no one has ever heard of but the age of the "earth is anybody's guess" and "evolution makes sense in parts" (although his understanding of it is clearly Lamarckian).
I wonder what he thinks of Newton's Universal Gravity or whether he prefers Intelligent Gravity (G-d pushing us down)?
He doesn't need science: he's got it all figured out anyway: "Blacks are idiots". What a buffoon... Well, I'm out of here too: all good things must come to an end...
sentinel:
ReplyDeleteAnd they will all tell you that is your own fault that these people you showed compassion and refuge to, now murder you, rob you and rape you wholesale.
Topped off w/an argument from fear.
Hey, aren't there oodles of stats that show you are most likely to be murdered, robbed & raped by someone of your own race? Somewhere in the upwards % of 70-90%?
Sentinel must be paranoid that Tiger Woods is going to finish him off with a 5 iron while he is sleeping.
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ReplyDeleteWell done for that incisive comment and long planned comment.