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Judeo-Christian values are being destroyed by intolerance of minority religion and atheism. Atheism is becoming are state religion. And they will stop at nothing to stop the practice of Christianity in this country.
Basically, he is talking about how the minority (non Christians) are controlling censoring Christianity. He sort of says those who have Judeo-Christian values are being censored. Heck, I have Judeo-Christian values, so do most of us great apes. The bible writers just took innate common sense, and put it into a book, between lots and lots of Gods temper tantrums.
Funniest (most moronic line):
"Christianity which does nothing but advocate goodness and love and happiness, and merriment and the acceptance and the love of all religions of all people."
Yes, he seriously said that!:
Jackie, you can't have absolute freedom of religion without separation of church and state. It doesn't matter what today's majority happens to believe.
He goes on about Christmas movies and tries to make a point that they aren't acceptable in schools but pornography is all around us. Newsflash: Pornography isn't allowed in most schools either.
I'm not against Christmas trees and people saying Merry Christmas. To me, it is a time for families to get together, and it has the same religious significance to most people as does Halloween. And I have nothing against kids saying Trick or Treat either.
Apparently according to Jackie hate and venom is protected but the goodness of religion is not.
Honestly, I have to wonder what cave Jackie lives in.
Jackie, has let me down big time with this video. He forgets how bad real Christian countries were to Jews and other minorities, and why America is so great (OK, potentially so great). And by calling America a Christian nation, he lets down most Jews I know.
Bjay:
ReplyDeleteGood on you for denouncing this one: it's truly crap. I love Mason but never thought that he was so deeply conservative. That's not a problem to me but humourously speaking these rants work about as well as a Trotskyite rant.
And this "Judeo-Christianity" thingy is nothing more than politically expedient fad. A passing fad I hope.
I'll be linking to this, H/T included.
Sometimes Jackie loses it.
ReplyDeletePerhaps he should join Jews for Christ, together with Debbie Schlussel - lol?
ReplyDeleteAtheist Jew? Try Oxy Moron. It's always tough to face up to what you are not: a Jew believes in the unity of the Creator and is part of the heritage given by Moses on Mt. Sinai.
ReplyDeleteDon't like my definition? Good, I don't like yours.
Moderate that.
DJ, would your definition have saved me during the Holocaust if I lived in Nazi Germany in the late 30's?
ReplyDeleteBTW, there was no Exodus. Watch the series "The Bible Unearthed"
Oh, and by your definition since around 50% of Israeli Jews are either atheist or agnostic, Israel doesn't have a Jewish majority.
(would your definition have saved me during the Holocaust if I lived in Nazi Germany in the late 30's?)
ReplyDeleteNo it wouldn't have saved you. No definition saved Jews. Is atheism saving Jews? I didn't realize that was your goal: to "save" Jews.
"The Bible Unearthed" is as much of a religious proclamation as global warming. It's a theory, that's all. Your ancestors were also saved by God at the sea. Believe it, or don't, that's on you.
(Oh, and by your definition since around 50% of Israeli Jews are either atheist or agnostic, Israel doesn't have a Jewish majority.)
Well, for what it's worth, your right. It's a secular govenment with a largely secular electorate. The government in Israel has been bringing in non-Jews (witness the rise in anti-semitism in Israel) as fast as it can, to maintain the powerlessness of the Jewish religious parties. When the Knesset gives the right of return to the muslims as part of a peace deal we'll see how smart that was. It won't be long until the muslims wrest political control of the country from the seculars. Do you think your definition of Jew will save you from islamic fanaticism?
One last point. Since the only muslim in Congress is a democrat and it seems that Denny K and the moveon types hate Israel and the Jooooos, what's a guy like you going to do? Your political party is disappearing from under you.
(would your definition have saved me during the Holocaust if I lived in Nazi Germany in the late 30's?)
ReplyDeleteNo it wouldn't have saved you. No definition saved Jews.
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So now you are acknowledging I'm a Jew. Your first post said I was not a Jew by your definition. You are confused a tad now.
Is atheism saving Jews? I didn't realize that was your goal: to "save" Jews.
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This point is totally irrelevant to the point I was making.
"The Bible Unearthed" is as much of a religious proclamation as global warming. It's a theory, that's all. Your ancestors were also saved by God at the sea. Believe it, or don't, that's on you.
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All evidence points to the FACT that the Exodus could not have happened. I choose not to believe in things that don't have evidence to back it up. In fact there is evidence that many things happened that conflict with what was supposed to be happening during and after the Exodus. It is all bs.
(Oh, and by your definition since around 50% of Israeli Jews are either atheist or agnostic, Israel doesn't have a Jewish majority.)
Well, for what it's worth, your right. It's a secular government with a largely secular electorate. The government in Israel has been bringing in non-Jews (witness the rise in anti-semitism in Israel) as fast as it can, to maintain the powerlessness of the Jewish religious parties. When the Knesset gives the right of return to the muslims as part of a peace deal we'll see how smart that was. It won't be long until the muslims wrest political control of the country from the seculars. Do you think your definition of Jew will save you from islamic fanaticism?
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Your definition surely won't save Israel. My definition is based on reality. You can deny reality all you want. I won't.
Without secular Jews, how would the IDF look btw?
One last point. Since the only muslim in Congress is a democrat and it seems that Denny K and the moveon types hate Israel and the Jooooos, what's a guy like you going to do? Your political party is disappearing from under you.
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What is my political party? I'm Canadian, but I vote Conservative, which is the equivalent of the Republicans.
Do you think that there are no atheist Jew who vote Repub?
A Canadian conservative is different than an American conservative.
ReplyDeleteJackie Mason has his good moments, but less often as time moves forward.
The beauty of Judaism, is that it's more than religion.
At my blog is a link to an article about Yiddish theater. I'm interested in your opinion.
Clearly there is also a downside to the conflation of religion and ethnicity: the number of times I've heard observant Jews calling secular Jews "self-loathers" or even plain and simply "not Jewish" is hard to keep count of. Over at Mad Zionist some of the hard-liners seem to prefer the company of Christian Zionists (a la John Hagee) to secular Jews. Weird...
ReplyDeletewould your definition have saved me during the Holocaust if I lived in Nazi Germany in the late 30's?
ReplyDeletethe definition of a Jew should not be what Hitler decided.
I think there is something wrong with a Jew that attacks Judaism.
You brought up Jews being saved from Hitler (may his name be erased forever), not me. Why you ever brought up an inane point about saving Jews from the Nazis is beyond me, but you were the one to raise the issue.
ReplyDeleteI can't "admit" that you are a Jew. What I wrote was that your definition was oxymoronic. I must suppose that you are if your mother was a Jew. If she was or any woman in your ancestry was converted by other than observant Jews, then you're not a Jew. I don't determine who is a Jew in any case, God does that without regard to my (or your) making up a definition from thin air.
You point to "all evidence" about the Exodus. Since you've repeated yourself, then you must be telling the truth and must be correct in your assertion, without evidence ever actually being submitted for verification.
You broached the nexus of my definition and the IDF. If God-fearing Jews ran the IDF we wouldn't be trading land for peace, we wouldn't be kicking Jews out of their homes, and we wouldn't allow muslims to launch thousands of missles at our people. The IDF, as wonderful as it is, is a tool of the secular Israeli government. When, not if, one of the muslim nations gets its hands on a nuke, you'll have to remind me how important it was that the IDF was made up, largely, of seculars.
As far as you voting the equivalent of "Republican" in Canada, so what? First, there is no party for Goldwater Conservatives in Canada, of which I'm aware. So saying that the Conservatives are like the Republicans is hardly a sound analogy. The Conservatives have signed on to just about every Socialist principle ever proposed in Canada. Second, it wouldn't surprise me to find non-believing Jews as members of any group: when you take God out of a Jew's life, their ability to succeed in secular areas is nearly incalculable: witness the number of Nobel Prize winners in the sciences.
One last point, because I'm running so far behind in my studies. It is plainly wrong for torah-observant Jews to disparage non-observant Jews. We, as religious people, do find a lot of common ground with other religious people, but we are very different from them. As a people, Jews must care for and love one another as brothers. Few non-observant Jews are aware of what it means to be the "Chosen People." It is not some disgusting eugenics program that makes me or anyone else better. What is means is that we, the Jews, were chosen by God to bring the light of religious monotheism into the world. I'd say, given the number of people who adhere to some from monotheistic religion, we've been largely successful. It's sad that our ability to reach out to disaffected members of our religion is curtailed by our need to be safe, but that's a rant for another time. What bothers me most about most non-observant Jews is that they've left behind a heritage to which they were never really introduced.
Geno, I was making a point, but worldview does define who one is. I'm a Jew, because I could get into Israel, my mother is a Jew, Webster says I'm a Jew, the overwhelming majority of rabbis and other Jews think I'm a Jew, my non Jewish friends identify me as being Jewish, etc.
ReplyDeleteI think Jews are brought up to criticize, and to blindly accept what anyone believes isn't for me, nor do I have condone certain things like the behavior of the Orthodox community in Amona or the Modesty buses to give a couple of examples.
And when it comes to science and archeology, if findings don't fit the story, I'm not going to go with the story out of respect or fear of upsetting the applecart.
DJ, you again miss the point. You said I am not a Jew. I said would Hitler not have saved me because I'm an atheist and not a Jew by your definition and then you said "no definition saved Jews" obviously acknowledging that atheist Jews are still Jews.
How much belief in God is required or following of Judaism is needed to be considered a Jew in your books? Do you consider someone a Jew if they believe there is a God 80% of the time and just celebrate Passover and the other holidays? Where do you draw the line?
If they accept the Exodus story as allegory and believe in God and go to shul a few times a year, are they Jews to you?
Since you don't determine who a Jew and you say God does instead, and since there is no evidence God exists and it is highly unlikely any God exists, that would mean that there are no Jews.
God fearing Jews don't run the IDF. Many don't even serve.
Trading land for peace? That is what secular Jews try to do.
Religious Jews in the West Bank only add to the problem of peace, not that I think it would make a difference because the Palis don't want peace, they want to drive the Jews into the sea, and that includes the 50% of the Jews in Israel you don't consider Jews.
Sorry if it bothers me that I asked questions about religion and the bible and I didn't like the answers and found many impossible to blindly accept.
I didn't even realize Jackie Mason was still alive.
ReplyDeleteHow Can I Be Jewish and an Atheist?
Judaism is not only a religion, as even the most religious Orthodox Jews recognize a non-practicing child of a Jewish mother as a Jew. It is not only a race, because Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Ethiopian, and Yemenite Jews, for example, can not reasonably be included in the same racial category. It is not only a culture, because it both includes many cultures and includes many people who share cultures with non-Jews. To say that the Jews are a nation or a people only transfers the question to the definition of "nation" or "people."
By almost all definitions of Judaism, I am therefore Jewish. I see myself as Jewish and am often seen by others as Jewish.
Atheism, on the other hand, reflects simply a lack of belief -- or, in some cases, a disbelief -- in deities.
"Jewish Atheist" is therefore only a contradiction for those few (almost exclusively non-Jews) who would limit the definition of "Judaism" to a question of religious belief or practice.
In fact, there are a lot of Jewish atheists. According to a 2003 Harris interactive poll, 19% of American Jews believe there is no God. (Compare to 4% of those who affiliate with Protestantism, 8% of those who affiliate as Catholics, and only 52% of those who affiliate as "Atheist/Agnostic.") Another 33% are "not sure whether or not there is a God."In other words, a majority of American Jews are either atheistic or agnostic. In Israel, according to a YNET poll, 28% of Jews are atheistic. (N.b. Polls seem to vary substantially on the question of belief in God.)
Other atheist Jews include the (in?)famous thinkers Marx, Freud, and Chomsky as well as the comedians Woody Allen, David Cross, Lewis Black, and probably Sarah Silverman.
Dearest BEAJ,
ReplyDeleteI can put up with a lot, but I won't stand for my words being twisted. You were looking for an observant Jew to tell you that you aren't Jewish. This one did not, but that didn't stop you from hearing the critique you so desparately wanted. So be it.
Enjoy your blog,
DJ
DJ, these were your words:
ReplyDelete"a Jew believes in the unity of the Creator and is part of the heritage given by Moses on Mt. Sinai."
By your definition you can't possibly consider me to be a Jew.
No word twisting is needed, just some logic and an understanding of the English language.
beaj
ReplyDeleteStatistics show that Israel is becoming more religious. Do you view that as a bad thing?
If Judaism ceased to exist, Jews would shortly cease to exist. It is a fact.
Geno, I think in the next 500 years if the human race survives, those who believe in Abrahamic religions will be few and far between....except for maybe the Muzzies, but they will be living in caves by then as oil will be a thing of the past.
ReplyDeleteAs for Israel becoming more religious, I don't think so. Sure the Orthodox are having more kids, but the kids will ask questions and they will inevitably watch documentaries like the Bible Unearthed.
It doesn't make me sad right now if Jews were more religious because Israel is still needed as a last refuge for Jews around the world if anti-semitism rears its ugly head.
Hi BEAJ, you may want to take a look at this (slightly OT but related):
ReplyDeletehttp://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/12/histrionics-in-california-or-syndrome.html
I'm an agnostic/atheist, whatever, I don't really know or care, but it doesn't matter, but what I do know is that I have more morals than the vast majority of so-called Christians, and yet they view me as the evil, untrustworthy one, unfit to govern, unfit to serve. Something ain't right.
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