I admit it, I'm one of those people who has train wreck curiosity. I just came across this story of a tragic school shooting that just happened in Finland. 8 innocent human beings are now dead, and the shooter is brain dead after trying to blow his brains out.
The shooter, had a Youtube account, and he left clues to what he represented, and finally to what he was about to do before he actually opened the doors to Jokela High School in Tuusula, Finland and shot the place up.
His Youtube account is suspended. His account name was Sturmgeist87. The 87 probably represented his year of birth. Sturmgeist is German for "storm spirit."
At the time of this writing, the summaries of the videos outside of his last one, can be seen by searching his ID on Youtube.
His last video was taken down completely. From the article:
The YouTube video, entitled "Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007," was posted on Tuesday by a user called Sturmgeist89.
"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," read a posting by a user of the same name.
"I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."
Just great, again we will see TV preachers blaming this on the teachings of evolution, and how taking religion out of school cause children to be conflicted.
All I can say to that is that millions and millions of kids are taught evolution and only a very small percentage of them go out and kill innocent people. I would rather blame his parents for nurturing such a nut.
UPDATE: Apparently this is a copy of his last video made just prior to his shooting spree:
Another UPDATE: Pharyngula's post has even more information including Sturmgeist87's "reasons" for the shootings.
Before Youtube takes everything down here are a few of his other descriptions of videos:
Just Testing My Gun
Exactly what the title says. Me shooting with Catherine :P...Sig Sauer Mosquito .22 .22LR Semi-automatic Gun Apple
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Marine Killers - Full Metal Jacket
Tribute to a great movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Music: Soilbleed by Grendel....Full Metal Jacket American US Army Military Marines Training Vietnam War
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Time: 05:20
SSRI - One Pill A Day Makes You Happy...
...or then not!...SSRI Antidepressant Antidepressants Medication Medicine
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Time: 00:59
Natural Selector's Manifesto - Part 2
Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy...naturalselector89 Sturmgeist89 Natural Selector Manifesto Government Society Totalitarianism Democracy
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Time: 02:59
Natural Selector's Manifesto - Part 1
How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?...naturalselector89 Sturmgeist89 Natural Selector Manifesto Naturality Human Race Evolution Devolution
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Time: 02:59
Natural Born Killers
Compilation of footage from the movie Natural Born Killers and Discovery Channel's Zero Hour docudrama about Columbine massacre. Music: Shitlist by L7....Natural Born Killers
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Time: 01:14
Born To Raise Hell - Natural Born Killers
Tribute to a great movie directed by Oliver Stone. Music: Born To Raise Hell by Motörhead....Natural Born Killers NBK Movie Mickey Mallory Knox Woody
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DIE
DIE...DIE
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Time: 02:20
Me & Catherine
Me and my gun, Catherine (.22 LR semi-automatic Sig Sauer Mosquito). I love her! :) "All are equal No discrimination Me and my gun, Catherine (.22 LR semi-automatic Sig Sauer Mosquito). I love her! :)
"All are equal
No discrimination
Son of a gun
A simple equation
Son of a gun
The master of fate
Bows to no God
Kingdom or state"
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Time: 00:19
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Nuremberg Trials
The Nuremberg Trials are a series of trials most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military and economic leadership of Nazi Germany. The trials The Nuremberg Trials are a series of trials most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military and economic leadership of Nazi Germany. The trials were held in the city of Nuremberg, Germany, from 1945 to 1949, at the Nuremberg Palace of Justice.
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Instinct Of Survival - Saw
Had to make this video for Halloween :P Tribute to a great movie, directed by James Wan. John Kramer (Tobin Bell) aka "Jigsaw" Had to make this video for Halloween :P
Tribute to a great movie, directed by James Wan.
John Kramer (Tobin Bell) aka "Jigsaw" is a scientist who is determined to initiate the survival instinct in his subjects, believing that humanity no longer used its instinct of survival.
Jigsaw usually builds deadly traps for his subjects, which are often a symbolic representation of what is seen... (more) (less)
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Time: 04:05
Biggest Conflict Of Mankind...
...and still so amazingly tiny and small (when considering the population of the world). This video is a collection of several pictures of WW2 ...and still so amazingly tiny and small (when considering the population of the world). This video is a collection of several pictures of WW2 armies & battles. I hope you enjoy this video and also the music :P
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Time: 01:21
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9/11/2001 - Final Day Of The Twin Towers
Note: I am not a muslim, and I do not support Al-Qaeda's islamic agenda. It was the day when the symbols of American capitalism and Note: I am not a muslim, and I do not support Al-Qaeda's islamic agenda.
It was the day when the symbols of American capitalism and modern western globalization, came down in a matter of seconds, after two planes hijacked by Al-Qaeda, hit the twin towers of World Trade Center in New York, USA.
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Time: 02:43
Politically Incorrect Tolerance
Exactly what the title says... lol. Music: Never Be Rude To An Arab by Monty Python...Politically Incorrect Tolerance Multiculturalism National Stereotypes Monty
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BTK Killer - Dennis Rader
One of my favorite serial killer cases :) Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered 10 people in Sedgwick One of my favorite serial killer cases :)
Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered 10 people in Sedgwick County (in and around Wichita), Kansas, between 1974 and 1991. He was known as the BTK killer (or the BTK strangler), which stands for Bind, Torture and Kill, which describes of his modus operandi. Letters were written soon after the killings...
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Time: 02:23
Ambassador Hotel Shooting - True Romance
Great scene from the movie True Romance (1993), directed by Tony Scott....True Romance Movie Police Cops Gangster Gangsters Mafia Hotel Shooting
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A View To A Kill - Alternate Ending 2
The movie A View To A Kill is property of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. and Viacom International Inc. All copyrights belong to them. Soviet troops The movie A View To A Kill is property of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. and Viacom International Inc. All copyrights belong to them.
Soviet troops are after 007 in Siberia. Can he escape?
Edited by me :) (more) (less)
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Teacup Poisoner - Graham Frederick Young
Graham Frederick Young (September 7, 1947 -- August 1, 1990) was a British murderer who poisoned a total of three people to death (his Graham Frederick Young (September 7, 1947 -- August 1, 1990) was a British murderer who poisoned a total of three people to death (his stepmother, and then years later two work colleagues, Bob Egle and Fred Biggs) as well as administering smaller doses to scores of others.
Music: Poison by Macabre. (more) (less)
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Jack The Ripper - Identity Unknown
Jack the Ripper is an alias given to an unidentified serial killer (or killers) active in the largely impoverished Whitechapel area and adjacent districts of London, England Jack the Ripper is an alias given to an unidentified serial killer (or killers) active in the largely impoverished Whitechapel area and adjacent districts of London, England in the latter half of 1888. The name is taken from a letter to the Central News Agency by someone claiming to be the murderer, published at the time of the killings.
Music: Jack The Ripper by Macabre
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Sexual Predator - Ted Bundy
Theodore Robert 'Ted' Bundy (November 24, 1946 -- January 24, 1989) was an American serial killer. Bundy raped and murdered scores of Theodore Robert 'Ted' Bundy (November 24, 1946 -- January 24, 1989) was an American serial killer. Bundy raped and murdered scores of young women across the United States between 1974 and 1978. After more than a decade of vigorous denials, Bundy eventually confessed to 29 murders, although the actual total of victims remains unknown. Typically, Bundy would rape his victims, and then murder... (more) (less)
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mcmassacre - James Oliver Huberty
James Oliver Huberty (11 October 1942 -- 18 July 1984) was a former welder from Canton, Ohio. In January 1984, Huberty had moved to James Oliver Huberty (11 October 1942 -- 18 July 1984) was a former welder from Canton, Ohio. In January 1984, Huberty had moved to San Ysidro with his wife and children, where he worked as a security guard until his dismissal. On July 18, 1984, armed with three semi-automatic weapons, Huberty walked into a McDonald's restaurant in the San Ysidro section of San Diego, California and opened... (more) (less)
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Sniper In The Sky - Charles Whitman
Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 -- August 1, 1966) was a former US marine and a student at the University of Texas at Austin Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 -- August 1, 1966) was a former U.S. marine and a student at the University of Texas at Austin who shot and killed 14 people (including those who later died as a result of their injuries) and wounded 31 others from the observation deck of the University's Main Building of The University of Texas at Austin on August 1, 1966. He did this shortly after... (more) (less)
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Unabomber - Theodore Kaczynski
Theodore John Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), known as the Unabomber, is an American terrorist and social critic who carried out a campaign of bombings Theodore John Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), known as the Unabomber, is an American terrorist and social critic who carried out a campaign of bombings and mail bombings that killed three and wounded 23. He sent bombs to several universities and airlines from the late 1970s through the mid-1990s.
Music: The Unabomber by Macabre. (more) (less)
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Gay Killer - Jeffrey Dahmer
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 -- November 28, 1994) was an American serial killer. Dahmer murdered 17 men and boys between 1978 and Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 -- November 28, 1994) was an American serial killer. Dahmer murdered 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991, with the majority of the murders occurring between 1989 and 1991. His murders were particularly gruesome, involving rape, necrophilia and cannibalism.
Music: In The Army Now by Macabre.
Lyrics:
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Sicilians - True Romance
Classic scene from the movie True Romance (1993), directed by Tony Scott. This scene also includes possibly one of Christopher Walken's best performances. Classic scene from the movie True Romance (1993), directed by Tony Scott.
This scene also includes possibly one of Christopher Walken's best performances. (more) (less)
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Global Domination!
Brief view into history and maps of some of the biggest empires of world history and in the end... my world empire!!! Me, Brief view into history and maps of some of the biggest empires of world history and in the end... my world empire!!! Me, a megalomaniac? NO! I just want to rule the world! MWHAHAHAHAHA! Mine... ALL MINE! MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Music: March To Doom by Frank Klepacki (Command & Conquer -soundtrack). (more) (less)
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Rules Of War - Air Force One
Poor and terrible movie (directed by Wolfgang Petersen) but only Gary Oldman's character as a Russian terrorist Ivan Korshunov makes it great. In this scene he explains Poor and terrible movie (directed by Wolfgang Petersen) but only Gary Oldman's character as a Russian terrorist Ivan Korshunov makes it great. In this scene he explains his philosophy on war and talks about some people's hypocritical attitude on war & terrorism. (more) (less)
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Removal Of Vocal Chords - Dr. Butcher MD
Funny scene from the movie Zombie Holocaust (aka Dr. Butcher MD). "The patient's screaming disturbing me, performed removal of vocal chords."
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naturalselector89 Is Back!
, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, naturalselector89, and naturalselector89...naturalselector89 Comeback Sturmgeist89 It is about time to make this announcement.
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Tanks Of Tyranny
Tanks and armored vehicles of different totalitarian regimes, crushing protests, demonstrations and resistance. Music: No Mercy by Frank Klepacki (Command & Conquer -soundtrack) Tanks and armored vehicles of different totalitarian regimes, crushing protests, demonstrations and resistance.
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Inconvenience Of Existant Reality
Video about reality. Music: Stuck In The Middle With You by Stealers Wheel....Reality Modern World Humanity Human Race Society Politics Religion No Yes LOL
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Supremacy Of Self - Adolf Hitler
I am not a nazi and I don't support national socialism. I just thought the lyrics would fit this video well. Music: Supremacy Of Self I am not a nazi and I don't support national socialism. I just thought the lyrics would fit this video well.
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Union Station - The Untouchables
Classic scene from the movie The Untouchables (1987), directed by Brian De Palma....The Untouchables Brian De Palma Union Station Grand Hall Chicago Gangster
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Dedicated To A Friend
Dedicated to a good friend, great philosopher and great artist. Your friendship is something I appreciate very much....robinmcveigh
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Act On Instinct
Footage of several historical events - wars & terrorist attacks etc. - that changed the world somehow very much. Music: Act On Instinct by Frank Klepacki ( Footage of several historical events - wars & terrorist attacks etc. - that changed the world somehow very much.
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Three Kinds Of Humans
These are the main types of human personalities (of course they divide into smaller groups but this is just generally). Also the percentages in this video are These are the main types of human personalities (of course they divide into smaller groups but this is just generally).
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Personality Test
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Nazi-Germany & USSR - Same Shit, Different Ideology
As you can see, these two enemies were not so different after all......Nazi-Germany USSR Irrational Ideology Dictatorship Totalitarianism Nazism Socialism Propaganda
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Mass Of Murderers
Collection of pictures and information about some mass murderers, spree killers, bombers etc... Music: Revenge by KMFDM....Mass Murderer Spree Killer
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Famous Last Words
Famous last words of some historical persons, but fictional ehehehe!...Famous Last Words Quotes Historical Leader Ruler Dictator President General Politician Philosopher
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Nazis & Holocaust - Schindler's List
Great movie and I collected the best clips from it. Music: Der Meister by Rammstein....Schindler's List Movie Third Reich National Socialism Germany Nazis Jews
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Führer's Face!
Heil Hitler! Sieg heil! White power! Heil aryan super race! Just joking. Im not a nazi and I don't support national socialism. Heil Hitler! Sieg heil! White power! Heil aryan super race!
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There are more, but by now, I think everyone gets the drift. This killer too was fascinated by train wrecks, but he seemed to be lacking one ounce of humanity.
He doesn't mention atheist or religion in anything that I've seen. I mean his personal beliefs that is. But he did have an excellent command of the English language or a real good translation program. I couldn't find many grammatical errors at all.
One thing that is happening though, is the internet seems to be the newest porthole into the mind of very sick puppies.
We cannot listen to the rantings of an insane mind and then conclude that whatever that insane person believes in must be discredited. An insane person may or may not make perfectly logical arguments. That in itself doesn't justify the insane person's actions or behaviour. For example, people often say Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore vegans cannot be OK.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you blaming the parents? For all we know they did their best to control an insane and homicidal child.
ReplyDeleteWhile trying to defend something that idiots would try to blame (in this case evolution), you have decided to lay the blame on someone else, who might be innocent.
Check this:
http://gamepolitics.com/2007/02/23/penny-arcade-receives-letter-from-alleged-stepmother-of-killer-teen/
As an atheist and skeptic you should be comfortable in saying "I don't know why he did what he did, or if it could have been prevented, we don't have all the information yet"
Lex, of course he made good points and real crazy points as well. He was functioning in society.
ReplyDeleteJonny eh, I am jumping to conclusions based on the evidence available to me. This has little to do with me being a rationalist or atheist.
But this guy didn't just snap. I've known people who I have said to myself that this guy creeps me out and it wouldn't surprise me if one day this person became a serial killer.
Read Pharyngula's post I linked under the video. He explains why he did it.
Sure, I might be too brutal on the parents, but I've been watching a lot of Dexter lately:)
The way this is going to cause a bit of a storm in a teacup in the US ("See what teaching evilutionism leads too!") is very reminiscent of the Ismail AX flap (where they tried the pin the VT massacre on Islam).
ReplyDeleteThis guy was a nut, so was the South Korean. 'Nuff said.
I felt really bad about it afterwards, but honestly, my first reaction on hearing this story was, "They still have guns in Finland?"
ReplyDeleteAlso, from the sounds of it, he got his influence more from history class than science class. Every time someone talks about killing off the "least fit" I want to scream. Fitness just means how many children you have in your lifetime! Technically an AIDs infected crackhead prostitute with five illegitimate children is more fit than a childless Nobel Prize winner!
Still, very tragic.
Maybe demons--but atheists probably don't believe in them either.
ReplyDeleteI dreaded to see my mother the next friday. I thought she would've already concocted some deeply christian explanation devoid of reason. That's how Jehova's witnesses like herself tend to explain the things they don't quite understand.
ReplyDeleteShe said nothing.
I guess there are some things so evil even the most die-hard theists can't chalk up to satan/equivalent testing our faith.
So... The international attention has calmed down, the respectable finnish media are awaiting real news to report and the tabloids are grasping at straws to make dramatic headlines. It's almost been a week.
The same day the shootings occured two other schools received threats that "they would be next". By sunday both wiseguys had been caught by the the police and they both cried out that they thought it was a good joke.
Yeah. I'm not exactly proud of my fellow countrymen's sense of humour. In general, around here nothing is sacred when it comes to cracking jokes about concurrent events, but even the most libertarian of us would probably agree that they went too far.
The parents who have been ever-increasingly ignoring their children for the past couple decades are now suddenly very concerned if their children will be safe at school. Red Cross's crisis hotline has been swamped with phonecalls from concerned parents afraid that some loonie will gun their kids down.
Having observed the finnnish youth's alcohol consumption both first hand and from statistics I dare say it's not at school whey their children are at danger. I feel that under the watchful eye of a teacher is where they actually are safest.
Being raised by a Jehova's witness mother and a mostly absent atheist father I have no firsthand experience what normal parents are like but right now it seems to me 'hypocrit' is the word I'm after.
A PR rep for the company operating the social networking site the gunman had used to publish his manifesto on pretty much summed the wednesday up. He said (liberally translated) "this really tells more about the present state of youth mental healthcare in our country than anything else". I have to agree. Our kids aren't alright.
The parents' panic will subside eventually and hopefully some of them will realise the ignorant ways they've been treating their children in the years gone by. I just hope that this tragic event would bring attention and permanent improvement to the poor state of our youth's mental health.
Jhuuuskon, hasn't the media blamed lack of religion, lack of faith yet, on the school shootings in Finland?
ReplyDeleteIf things are wrong with the youth, that is how the US media would explain it.
Our media fortunately has very neutral point of view to most things, including religion.
ReplyDeleteOur society is highly secular and religion is considered a very private matter and is to most merely a convenient outlet for templates for the many ceremonies in life. Thus, most only attend church at weddings, funerals or christenings.
Regarding religion and media, I've always found it weird that during public addresses U.S. politicans refer to god quite a lot. Around here that would be tantamount to a political suicide.