March 30, 2008


Lex over at Gripes of Wrath has found a very good article entitled What Is To Be Done, by Hugh Fitzgerald. I'm going to just copy the summary for my blog readers, some of whom will be upset over this piece:

1. Education of Infidels, so that they are well aware of the contents of the texts of Islam -- Qur'an, Hadith, Sira.

2. Education of Infidels, so that they understand how, over 1350 years, those texts have been received, and acted upon, by Believers.

3. Education of Infidels, so that they know a good deal about the history of Islamic conquest, and subsequent subjugation of non-Muslim peoples in the lands conquered -- a subjugation that, no matter what the land, or the kind of non-Muslims conquered, the result was always the same.

4. Education of Muslims within Infidel countries, so that they will understand that the failures of Muslim societies -- political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral -- are the direct result of Islam itself.

5. An end to all Muslim immigration to Infidel lands.

6. Imposition of tests for naturalization that require a detailed knowledge of the history and cultural achievements of the Western country in question -- see "Going Dutch" for one, admittedly exaggerated-for-effect example.

7. Inclusion, in the test for naturalization, of a loyalty oath, swearing sole allegiance to the political and legal institutions of the particular Infidel nation-state. In the case of the United States, allegiance to the Constitution would be considered adequate. Subsequent proof of perjury would, in the law, be considered valid grounds for stripping a naturalized citizen of that citizenship.

8. Making any support, direct or indirect, for Jihad -- defined as the "struggle" to remove all obstacles to the spread and dominance of Islam, including but not limited to the political and legal institutions of the host country – illegal.

9. Preventing any foreign funds from entering the country to be spent for the building or upkeep of mosques or other institutions connected to Islam, or for campaigns of Da'wa.

10. Curtailing in the prisons campaigns of Da'wa, on the grounds that the evidence shows that those who convert contain a high proportion of people who subsequently present a threat to society.

11. Refusing to bow to any Muslim demands for changes either in schools or in workplaces to accommodate Muslim rituals or Muslim ideas of what is fitting, from the hijab (where banned, as in France) or for extra time off for prayers in the middle of the work-day. This is not the sort of accommodation that Infidels, in Infidel lands, should be expected to make. In other words, the policy should be No Changes For Islam.

12. Reciprocity in the current number of mosques. Taking into account the absence, for tens of millions of non-Muslims in Muslim-ruled lands, of churches, Hindu temples, and other houses of worship, the policy should be to reduce the number of mosques in Western lands until there is a change in the Muslim lands. Reciprocity is a concept most people can understand and justify.

13. Reducing benefits so that large families (likely to be Muslim) cannot continue to be formed by those who assume they will be supported by the state. Muslim women will be expected to work in the same numbers as non-Muslim women, and will no longer be supported by the Infidel state (that is, Infidel taxpayers) to be breeding machines.

14. Enforcement of the laws against polygamy will be increased. Those practicing polygamy will be subject to being stripped of citizenship and returned to that Muslim state from which they, or their closest relatives, came. Since so many Muslims in Western Europe continue to observe, in Muslim enclaves, the mores of the countries that they, or their parents, or their grandparents, came from, the argument that they cannot "go back" can be dealt with. There is no obligation for the countries of Western Europe to live with the colossal error of their immigration policy.

15. There will be not the slightest concession made to Muslim sensibilities on the subject of aspects of Islam, including Muhammad. Those who wish to live in an environment where Islam is to be free of criticism are free to move to Muslim countries. There are many dozens of them. They control vast land areas, and vast natural resources. This is not a case of a tiny people having no place to go.

16. Efforts should be made to publicize the most celebrated defectors from Islam, to publish and distribute their books, to make much of them. This should be done both for the education of Infidels, and for the conceivable education of those who, born into Islam, may be persuaded to leave it.

The countries of North America and Western European countries can do much to make the practice of Islam, and campaigns of Da'wa, harder to support, and to make those Muslims who are intent on adhering to this ideology so dangerous to non-Muslims think again about remaining in the Western world. Benefits can be limited. Foreign sources of aid can be cut. The general atmosphere of continuing refusal to yield, and of ever-increasing Infidel awareness of the texts of Islam and the history of Muslim conquest, will naturally create conditions of suspicion and hostility that are not, to the well-informed, either wicked, or baseless but, alas, entirely reasonable.

The above makes sense to me. Unfortunately, realistically only some of these issues will ever be marginally touched on, until perhaps it is too late.

With that said, I don't see much difference in Muslim demands when pitted against fundamental Christian demands when it comes to gay marriage and choice and God in school. The only difference is the reaction of what happens when their mythological world views are shut down. Muslims are dangerous. Christians are collectively becoming more enlightened, even the most Fundamental of them, and though they are whining and bitching over the unChristianization of the West, they are impotent as reality has taken over. When it is said and done, most of them can't possibly believe with 100% conviction in their fantasy stories.

God Is For Suckers has a great comedy clip up by Bill Maher on religion (language warning):

I'm not worried about the Christian Right anymore. The internet is destroying the YEC movement very quickly. And the Fundy Jews are not a bother either, except they might give me a dirty look while shaking a finger at me.

Back to the Muslims. Read Lex's article about Critical Mass when it comes to Muslim immigration as well.

It really gets me that Muslims collectively are against Israel's right to exist, and like to pretend that it is prior to 1948 when dealing with what the solution for the region is. By 1948, there was something like 600,000 Jews in the region. Many of whom migrated there from Europe, but so what? It is OK for millions of Muslims to migrate to the West but not OK for 300,000 Jews to migrate to a tiny region in the middle east that was non sovereign land? Talk about hypocrisy.


  1. There is no limit to the double standards and hypocrisy that Muslims will resort to in their strategy for world domination. There is an excellent 13 part documentary on YouTube about Islam

  2. Did you read the news today?

    From the Vatican...

    Muslims more numerous than Catholics

    VATICAN CITY - Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.

    "For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. Formenti compiles the Vatican's yearbook.

    He said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population — a stable percentage — while Muslims were at 19.2 percent.

    "It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.

    Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.

    When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 percent of the world population, Formenti said.

    Spokesmen for the Vatican and the United Nations did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Sunday.

    Throughout human history, religions rise and fall, one religion replaced with a different one. And history repeats itself in the way that the current population denies the change is happening until it is too late. It appears that we are seeing a tiny moment in the transformation of Christian dominance to Islamic dominance and glad I won't live long enough to be around for the years Islam will dominate.

  3. Oh, and the Bill Maher thing is hilarious, isn't it?

    "What is so hard about saying the words I Don't Know" Love that part...

    and "How do I know? I've got a pointy hat! I've got a hat and a robe and I have smoke and a wand!" LOL!

  4. I read the news about Muslims being more numerous than Catholics, but the first thing that comes to mind is that there are different Muslim subcults like there are different Christian subcults ie Sunni and Shiite, etc.
    Comparing Muslims to Catholics and not total Christians is like comparing pedophiles to homosexuals.....ok, apples to oranges.
    But I do agree that Muslims are growing faster than Christians. Moreso because Christians are becoming educated as to why Christianity makes no sense and those who question their faith and then perhaps leave it, don't have to worry about getting their head chopped off.
    I've wondered what the difference between Sunni and Shiite is though. I think the Sunni's cut the throat from right to left while Shiite's cut the throat from left to right. But I could be wrong:)

  5. How about develop alternative fuel sources to oil to reduce the West's dependency and consequently to diminish their money, particularly so that the Saudis cannot continue to propagate their Wahhabist filth?

    While I agree with most of the suggestions, one has to tread a fine line between curbing extremism and advocating prejudice against someone just because he or she is a Muslim. It is a mistake to assume that because someone prays 5 times a day facing Mecca that he is bent on world domination.

    If we want to curb Islamic extremism and fundamentalism, we have to understand the factors that propagate its spread. One factor, as Ayaan Hirsi Ali noted during her time living in Kenya, is that Islamic fundamentalists thrive in conditions where the state authorities are weak or corrupt. In some countries, people prefer to use the sharia courts instead of the secular courts because the sharia courts are faster. Muslim charities fill the vacuum in the absence of a social safety net.

    As for differences between Shia and Sunni, I don't know all of the differences. One is that the Shia believed that the caliphs should have been the descendants of Muhammed. There is also some thing about 12 Imams and a chosen one who will return one day. In that, Shiite Islam shares some commonality with the Rapture freaks of Christianity in looking forward to an end time when the righteous will be saved and the damned will burn.

  6. I fear that it's too late for Europe. I hope that North America wlii stand up for its ideals and culture.

  7. I wouldn't count out YEC Christians at all. Despite the information available on the internet, lots of them are perfectly able to avoid or ignore that info by only visiting their favorite websites that espouse their preferred ignorance.

    As well, the most likely reason for muslims "overtaking" Catholics for population is due to birthrate, not conversion/deconversion rates. The birthrate has dropped off for Catholics - you don't see nearly as many of their families with 8-12 children anymore. Muslims (especially where polygamy is still practiced) still trend towards large families.

  8. You're a bigot who has more in common with those fundamentalist Christians that you trash on a regular basis than you think. The truth is people like you don't actually know any muslims in real life. All you know is what you see broadcast on television. Everything you've written and posted is based on propaganda, not empirical evidence.

  9. L, I do know a few Muslims. And yes, a lot of my opinion is based on what I've read and also what I've witnessed on film and video, which of course is real life events.
    I think everyone has to overcome being prejudice.
    I'm curious though, what empirical evidence do you have that counters the 16 points made by another author?