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April 16, 2007
VERMIN MARK GLENN HAS INFECTED HIS DAUGHTER
Yes I was right, mental defect assmonkey, Mark Glenn should never have had children. He will leave a legacy of hate. It is sad. Apparently he has burdened the world with four children, who's only chance of becoming normal human beings is to either escape their pathetic father, or realize what a piece of crap they have for a dad. If teaching hate to children was a crime, the vermin Mark Glenn would be in jail for life.
I've taken on the human feces Mark before. First through email, which prompted a couple of blog posts here and here.
Mark Glenn's life is preoccupied with hatred of Jews, and he will die a pathetic paranoid freak. It is not too late for his children. And lets focus on budding writer, Stefania Glenn, 14. Probably the pride of her dad. Right now, it isn't looking for her future. Her teenage years which should be full of wonder and experience have most likely been consumed by anti-Jewish (I won't say semitic because I don't want retards to jump all over it with their idiotic definitions) propaganda and disgusting brainwashing.
I invite Stefania to read the following and to ask questions. And not look to her father for guidance. Here is my rebuttal to an article she wrote, Settling the Score with the Goldsteins. I'm even going to be nice, because I know she is just the product of severe brainwashing, and by having a father such as hers, it is like being in mental hell. I sincerely feel sorry for her, as I do for her siblings:
Yes, I know, Mr. Goldstein, I’ve heard all about it. I’ve heard all about the Holocaust, when 6 million or 6 billion or 6 trillion or 6 gazillion–or however many Jews you want–were murdered by mean old Hitler.
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It was most likely between 5 and 6 million. Do you envy Hitler? I'm just curious.
I’ve heard all about the diary of Anne Frank, the Jewish girl who died in a German concentration camp during World War II. I’ve heard all about your people’s persecution in Russia. I’ve heard all about how your people have been despised and oppressed all over the world. Yes, I know, I know! You don’t need to remind me AGAIN that for nearly two thousand years you have been without a country.
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The only person reminding you is your dad. You really should just take history, learn, and then have fun. You are 14 years old. Do Jews stop you from having fun?
How could I possibly forget these things? You and your paid liars never get tired of screaming insensibly about all the inhuman crimes that have been committed against the Jews.
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What paid "liars" ? Seriously, what are you talking about? What lies, and who is getting paid to lie. Do you not agree that Jews in the past were persecuted? Do you not think what happened during the Holocaust or Spanish Inquisition was inhumane? Was it humane?
About the only thing we ever hear these days is that your people, the Jews, have suffered horribly throughout history and that we (the non-Jews) must make amends with you in every way possible.
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Where do you hear these things? I went to school in Toronto, and I don't think I learned one thing about the Holocaust, or that Jews were seeking payback, and that was over 25 years ago. Honestly, what bull is your father feeding you?
Well, Mr. Goldstein, here in the United States of America, we have done everything within our power to pay you back. I don’t know what else you could possibly want. We helped you acquire your own country.
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I have my own country, it is Canada. Are you talking to American Jews? What is your country? As far as Israel goes, yes the US helped with the UN's decision to start a Jewish governed territory. So what?
We stood by silently while you murdered hundreds of innocent Palestinian civilians at Deir Yassin, so that your desire to have a country of your own could be fulfilled.
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That is very selective history. You do realize that the US also stood by when many Jews were murdered by Arabs. Or that doesn't count. And the actual count of Deir Yassin was no more than 120, though it is still not something many Jews are proud of. It did happen during a civil war.
We send ten billion dollars of American tax money to Israel every year, even though America is already in debt up to her eyebrows. We are constantly hiring some blabbermouth to rant and rave to America about “God’s chosen people” and how they have always been “under attack” and how we must rescue them from “all the Hitlers of the world”.
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Can you link something about the 10 billion dollars? America does give aid and loans to Israel, but don't fool yourself, they do it for numerous reasons that benefit the USA. Every religious person on this planet think they are in the chosen religion. If you are a Catholic, you think you are in God's true religion. You think your religion is the best in God's eyes. Correct? If not, are you saying there isn't a correct religion? Then you agree with me. All religions are wrong.
And I think it is natural to want to have anyone who wants you dead eliminated. Don't you?
We are never finished hearing about your precious Holocaust, since it seems that you would never be able to exist without it. You are the kings of this country. We have licked your boots for so long that you don’t have any boots left…
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Oh, thanks for reminding me about the Holocaust. You seem to like to remember it. Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day. And to be honest, this is the first time I started thinking about it in at least a few months. Thanks for keeping it alive.
I need to ask, have you ever discussed these paranoid sentiments with a real Jew? I don't know where you are coming up with this "we seem to not be able to exist without it" junk.
…So now, Mr. Goldstein, please tell me, because I am dying of curiosity to know what it is that you want. What more can we possibly do for you? How can you still be unhappy with the way you are treated?
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Who is unhappy? Your dad probably is, and you will certainly be if you follow in his footsteps. Jews would like to be able to live without being attacked. Is that asking a lot?
Do you think you are the only group of people that has ever suffered? That is one of the most conceited things I have ever heard. Very typical of you, though.
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Actually whoever taught you this is wrong. No Jew on this planet I know states that Jews are the only ones who have ever suffered.
I cannot pretend to be shocked or even mildly surprised at this idea. It is just too typical. After all, don’t you also view yourselves as a superior race?
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Since when are Jews a race. An ethnicity yes, but not a race. Superior, well I don't like to brag, but Jews tend to have great family values, great educations and because of the other two, usually do well financially compared to other ethnicities.
If that makes Jews superior, then Jews are superior.
Don’t you call the rest of us non-Jews “goyim” or “cattle”?
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No, my wife isn't a Jew, I've never called her goyim or cattle. I've called her a bitch though, but it had nothing to do with her ethnicity. Your father has brainwashed you that Jews are brought up with the Protocols of Zion, and that is a lie. Again, you need to talk to real Jews and see for yourself.
You really are the most self-centered group of people there has ever been.
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Like the Italians or the blacks in the hood?
Therefore, I really can’t be surprised that you would entertain the absurd idea that the Jewish people are the only sufferers in the world.
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Again, that is a lie. Educate yourself. But have fun first....forget this nonsense (wishful thinking on my part).
Or at least, that their suffering is the only suffering that truly counts. 66 million Russians died during and after the Bolshevik Revolution.
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Do you really care about what Lenin who baptized a Christian did? Do you care about what Muslims are doing to Muslims in Darfur?
However, nobody seems to feel any sort of special obligation to the Russians the way they do for your 6 million. I have always been horrible at math, but it is unquestionable even in my mind that Russia’s 66 million greatly overshadows your 6 million. But never mind that, Mr. Goldstein. The Russians really don’t matter that much. What we need to concentrate on is how many other things we should be doing for you.
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Like I said, I don't care what you do for Jews. Jews just want to be left to live in peace. As far as the Russians who died during WW2 vs. Jews who died: Russians died because of war, fighting for territory, while Jews were murdered for having Jewish parents. And more than 75% of the Jewish population of Europe were murdered for being Jewish, not because of a territorial conflict.
Now come on, just tell me. What do you want? What can we do that will make you happy?
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You can learn some real history, and I'll start smiling. Or run away from home so you have a chance to become a decent human being.
If there is anything that we have not already done for you, tell me what it is, and we’ll be sure to do it right away. If you were anyone else, I would encourage you not to be shy in making your demand, but as I have never known you to be short on boldness or nerve, I see no point in warning you against what you yourself would never even think of doing. So go ahead, shoot. Tell me what we have not yet done for you. Go ahead, I’m listening.
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The only one you are listening to is your pathetic twerp of a father. Are you that far gone?
Oh, my goodness, Mr. Goldstein, you make me laugh! No, no! I heard you perfectly! You don’t need to keep screaming it over and over again. I heard you. You said that the thing you want is for us to submit our very beings to you. In short, become your slaves. (You see? I KNEW I didn’t need to worry about any shyness on your part!) You say we have not become your slaves? Who do you think you are trying to fool? We are your slaves. We have been for years! Only slaves would bow to your every wish the way we have. Was I not clear when I said earlier that we have been licking your boots for so long that you don’t even have any boots left? Yeah, okay then. We’ll buy you a new pair of boots since we have apparently wronged you by licking them off. What?! You want them made out of solid diamond?! We can’t afford that! How about we just get a pair of sneakers from the thrift store? Oh, okay, never mind, never mind! We’ll get you the diamond. Your wish is our command. But boy, oh, BOY! I just can’t get over what you said about us not being your slaves! In fact, I can’t stop laughing. Now, please, Mr. Goldstein, PLEASE, will you stop screaming like that? You are a somewhat disturbing spectacle with that blood vessel popping out of your neck, your mouth covered in froth and your eyes bulging two inches out of your head. Calm down! It really isn’t good for your health to throw these violent temper tantrums.
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Nobody is screaming. But like I said you seriously need some deprogramming. Slaves?
Jews make up 2% of the American population. And many of the people have grown up ignorant like yourself, and make stuff up or listen to paranoid lunatic rants from parents.
All right. Now that you have finally gotten yourself under control, perhaps you can rationally answer the question that I am about to ask you. Ready? Okay, then; is it possible (in your mind, at least) that the Jews have suffered so much that we gentiles will never be able to repay you? Will we never be able to refill the great hole of your suffering? Will you never be satisfied with our efforts to appease you?
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I'll be happy when filth like your father cease to exist. Other than that I'm happy.
I heard you answer in the affirmative.
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Well then, you haven't been paying attention.
Well, I must admit that I am glad to know that. Since we now know that you can never be happy–that despite the whole world’s concentrated efforts, it is impossible to ever repay you, and that making you happy is a flat impossibility, maybe we can turn our attention over to another subject.
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So far all you've said has been pointless rhetoric and lies you were taught.
Maybe since what we have been trying to accomplish all these years is utterly impossible, we can just forget it and focus on what is possible. I am only being reasonable, Mr. Goldstein, when I ask ‘what are you going to do to repay us for all the suffering that you have caused?’
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I knew this was coming.
How are you going to repay all the Palestinians whose land you stole and whose children you have been murdering for over half a century?
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That is false. Land must be owned before it can be stolen. Land is either owned and/or governed. Israel didn't become sovereign territory until 1948. Before then Arabs owned 20% of what is now Israel. Only 3.3% of the land was owned by Arabs who actually lived there. I'll grant you that some of the land (very little) is disputable and possibly stolen. But what can you expect when you win 5 wars against those who want your total destruction. Babies wouldn't die if terrorists didn't hide behind them. In fact, if the Arabs dropped their arms there would be peace in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.
How are you going to repay the millions of babies that you have murdered in abortion clinics?
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History lesson: Abortion goes back to the ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians. How can you pin abortions on Jews (though many Jews are pro choice), when countries like Turkey have legalized abortion. Modern day abortion was invented by Christians.
How are you going to repay the families of the thousands of Americans who died on September 11th?
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By nuking Iran maybe (yes I know Iran wasn't responsible either. But it was radical Islam all the way. And Iran's leadership sure does resemble radical Islam) You think Jews were behind 9/11? That is seriously sick and twisted denial. It was radical Muslims. And Muslims have been paying for it and will continue to do so.
How are you going to repay the Iraqis for destroying their country? How are you going to repay the families of the American soldiers who have died in Iraq?
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If Jews had a say in destroying a country in the middle east it would have been Iran or Saudi Arabia. Not Iraq.
But the radical Muslims did need a good bitch slapping for 9/11.
They needed to see who is boss. Sometimes innocent lives are lost so mankind can carry on, as was the case in Hiroshima. Sometimes talk won't work, sometimes you need to show excessive force to end a conflict.
How are you going to repay the Lebanese for ruining their country?
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Lebanon allowed their country to be ruined by allowing known terrorists (Hezbollah) to quietly set up shop and get ready for a conflict with Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself.
How are you going to repay all those who suffer under communism, which is another invention of yours?
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Lenin was Christian, Marx was a Jew. I don't feel like I owe anything for Marx. Why should I? Should Catholics owe for Hitler? There is nothing in Judaism teachings that leads one to become a communist. It was an individual's invention.
How are you going to repay the Muslims for all the lies that you have told about them?
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What lies? Name them. Jews tell the truth mostly. Muslims don't give straight answers. They refuse to be confronted with their lies, just like your father, who closes comments on his pathetic hate speeches.
How are you going to repay all the Christians that you martyred when Christianity was still new?
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Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about here. Roman killed the Christians for the most part.
You’re speechless, Mr. Goldstein, but I can read your answer in the hatred of your eyes.
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I'm not speechless. I just can't believe that you think you have any argument at all or that you have made one relevant point. Amazing.
You will never try to repay us for the suffering that you have caused. You will never even apologize.
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What suffering? I still don't see any suffering caused by even a group of Jews.
And what is more you will continue to treat us Gentiles in this inhuman and merciless manner. You will never voluntarily stop. You will never attempt in any manner to repay us…
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What inhuman way? You've made no points, but you probably made your dad very happy in many places.
…but that’s alright, don’t worry, we’ll repay you…
We will repay you for every injustice that you have caused. We will repay you for every drop of innocent blood that you have spilled, and it is possible to do so. Just wait and see, you will be served justice one day.
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Oh, I see ITZ COMING. Yet you have no reason for revenge. You need to read up on real history. You are caught up in a cause that doesn't exist in the real world. But daddy is proud of you.
A very wise, just, merciful man from Nazareth whom you also killed once said to your leaders ‘Upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on Earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah.’ I have never doubted His words…He always knew what He was talking about.
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Actually, if you do some research, you'll find that it is very unlikely that Jesus ever existed. The words you are quoting are words that were written 200 years "after the fact" And they were written by writers who didn't want to piss off the Romans but thought the Jews were expendable. Oh, and I'm not just picking on Christianity. There is no evidence the Exodus happened either.
I will not try to convert you, Mr. Goldstein because I know that it is impossible. Remember, that we are now focusing on possibilities. So, since you refuse to become a human being by leaving your primitive, savage way of thinking, I will only warn you. Of course, you will not listen to me, but I will do it anyway. I warn you that things are going to be changing. You will be experiencing justice for the 1st time in your life. There is a day coming when humanity will get sick of being treated like animals. They are going to find out why they have suffered so much. They are going to be angry. And guess what? You are going to be the object of their rage. You are going to get a triple-dose of your own medicine, which ought to please you, since you always want more of anything than anyone else has. You are going to discover how human beings act when they see a glimmer of hope after being beaten down all their lives.
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Have Jews really been beating you up? How has a Jew personally affected you? Thanks for the warning though. You've only warned me that some children suffer tremendous abuse at the hands of their parents. Not sure about your mother, but your father is a serious nutcase, and he is taking you with him.
There, I have now told you what to expect one day. Now when it happens, you won’t be able to rant, rave, scream, kick, holler, howl and screech about how ‘it isn’t fair’ because nobody every warned you.
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This from a 14 year old girl. Do you realize how sad you look to normal human beings?
Well, Mr. Goldstein, I am sure that you do not like my tone. I can see that by the blood vessel in your neck that has finally burst that you do not like what I am saying at all. But considering every injustice that you have caused, every suffering that you have aided, all the innocent blood that you have spilled, I would say that this is merely a feeble attempt of mine to settle the score between us. I don’t see why you are so furious with me. After all, I am only trying to pay you back. isn’t that the very thing that you have wanted for so many years?
2006 by Stefania Glenn
sglenn@crescentandcross.com
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Wow. Seriously, move in with an aunt or go to a foster home. You will be better off in the long run. I really don't think you even know what you are talking about. You've been taught to hate much like the Muslim children in the West Bank and Gaza.
I just hope you aren't capable of strapping a bomb on yourself and then killing yourself with a bunch of innocents. You seriously need some heavy deprogramming. I feel very sorry for you. You are wasting your life over irrational baseless hate.
Note: The white supremacists at Vanguard love Stefania. I wonder if they know she is an ethnic semite (her scum father is a supposedly of Lebanese Christian heritage). Doesn't that make her a mud in KKK talk?
Also check out the Poisoning Children with Toxic Memes
April 15, 2007
June Callwood RIP: Canada's Conscience Was Also An Atheist
She didn't believe in God. She believed in kindness instead.
One of Canada's icons passed away yesterday. June Callwood: journalist, author, and humanitarian extraordinaire died after gallantly losing her fight with cancer.
Normally, I don't blog about these things. I never met her, like many bloggers who have written tributes have. I never read any of her books either. But then again, I haven't read many of anyone's books:) I'm writing this because her life and death completely contradicts many of the assumptions made by theists regarding atheists.
A quick biography from FICCDAT:
Here is her last interview. I believe it was done around a month ago:
Of note, she has accepted death, and contrary to the old theist claim that atheists become believers when death approaches, she is very firm that there is no God and no afterlife. And she is completely fine with it.
She made a point about being in her 80's and accepting death. I think this is part of the evolution process too. My guess is that most people in their 80's and 90's who are dying, are just content with the idea of dying regardless of beliefs or lack thereof. The body and mind is content with the idea that their time has come just like the spider Charlotte, and she wasn't even one years old.
She also made mention of the fact that humans almost have the need to do good for each other. It makes us satisfied. And we don't need to buy into a religion and their doctrines to "hold a door open for one another." Our morality and ethics don't come from God; we evolved them. And those who do not consider God, don't go out and rape and pillage. That is just theist baloney. We are hardwired so that if we do something good for someone, we get a bit of a rush in our brains, and subconsciously (and/or consciously) we know there is also a good chance that the other person will do something good because of your act. For social animals likes humans, this behaviour helps our species live to see a next generation.
She was married to the same man, sportswriter Trent Frayne, for 62 years. How many theists can make the same claim?
She went through tragedy when her youngest son died at 20 in a car crash. A drunk driver killed him. She went on to turn it into a positive (as best anyone could) by founding a now famous Aids hospice in her son's name: The Casey House. A longer biography and tribute can be found at their website here.
Upon doing a blog search, I found a tribute to her by a believer. The last paragraph is disturbing:
Oh, I get it. Her next life will be in hell, despite how good a person she was on earth. That is why she needs you to pray for her. And how will your praying help her? Got that one figured out yet?
Actually, that comment by the theist was very sad.
One of Canada's icons passed away yesterday. June Callwood: journalist, author, and humanitarian extraordinaire died after gallantly losing her fight with cancer.
Normally, I don't blog about these things. I never met her, like many bloggers who have written tributes have. I never read any of her books either. But then again, I haven't read many of anyone's books:) I'm writing this because her life and death completely contradicts many of the assumptions made by theists regarding atheists.
A quick biography from FICCDAT:
"Known as "Canada's Conscience," June Callwood's career has been marked by compassion and a strong concern for social justice, especially on issues affecting children and women. A prolific and versatile author, she has written more than 30 books and countless magazine articles. Her career in television has included the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program In Touch (1975-78), and the recent Caregiving with June Callwood, a program that provides assistance to people caring for parents, spouses or others.
Despite a busy writing life, she has also founded and co-founded more than 50 social action organizations, including Nellie's hostel for women, Jessie's, a centre for teenage parents, Casey House Hospice for AIDS patients, and PEN Canada. Her extensive volunteer work has been recognized by many honours including the Order of Canada (1986), and "Woman of the Year," B'nai B'rith, (1969). She is an Honourary Marching Mother of Ontario March of Dimes."
Here is her last interview. I believe it was done around a month ago:
Of note, she has accepted death, and contrary to the old theist claim that atheists become believers when death approaches, she is very firm that there is no God and no afterlife. And she is completely fine with it.
She made a point about being in her 80's and accepting death. I think this is part of the evolution process too. My guess is that most people in their 80's and 90's who are dying, are just content with the idea of dying regardless of beliefs or lack thereof. The body and mind is content with the idea that their time has come just like the spider Charlotte, and she wasn't even one years old.
She also made mention of the fact that humans almost have the need to do good for each other. It makes us satisfied. And we don't need to buy into a religion and their doctrines to "hold a door open for one another." Our morality and ethics don't come from God; we evolved them. And those who do not consider God, don't go out and rape and pillage. That is just theist baloney. We are hardwired so that if we do something good for someone, we get a bit of a rush in our brains, and subconsciously (and/or consciously) we know there is also a good chance that the other person will do something good because of your act. For social animals likes humans, this behaviour helps our species live to see a next generation.
She was married to the same man, sportswriter Trent Frayne, for 62 years. How many theists can make the same claim?
She went through tragedy when her youngest son died at 20 in a car crash. A drunk driver killed him. She went on to turn it into a positive (as best anyone could) by founding a now famous Aids hospice in her son's name: The Casey House. A longer biography and tribute can be found at their website here.
Upon doing a blog search, I found a tribute to her by a believer. The last paragraph is disturbing:
"Her end of life discussion was sad for she is an atheist. I wish her the best as she goes on to the next life. I will pray for her."
Oh, I get it. Her next life will be in hell, despite how good a person she was on earth. That is why she needs you to pray for her. And how will your praying help her? Got that one figured out yet?
Actually, that comment by the theist was very sad.
April 14, 2007
Global Warming: What "They" Don't Want Us To Know
Do you think "they" are really going to tell us the truth about Global Warming? No chance. "They" are getting ready to leave our earth and go to another solar system, it is important that we are not informed until "they" safely leave. The fact is that Global Warming started in 1961, and it has nothing to do with being man-made. Moving to Toronto won't help anyone either. We are doomed, doomed I tells you:
My real thoughts on Global Warming: I think man does have a hand in it, but I think it is small. Cars weren't around for the last ice age, or any ice age for that matter. The fact is that oxygen levels on earth and the earth's atmosphere has never been a constant over time. Changes in oxygen levels have been around since the beginning of the planet, more than 6000 years ago (oh, and less than 5 billion years ago too), and these changes have led to major extinctions, and up until now, man wasn't around for those other "end times."
Changes in the earth's atmosphere gave rise to the dinosaurs, but science giveth and science taketh awayeth; atmospheric change also killed off the dinosaurs. Of course, the death of the dinosaurs allowed for man to be king of the world.
Animals have started evolving already because of the new climate. For example, the pitcher plant mosquito is being observed to change it's breeding habits.
Are we evolved enough to handle the inevitable changes that are in store for planet earth? In the long run though, it won't matter. As Stardust points out, the earth is toast.
My real thoughts on Global Warming: I think man does have a hand in it, but I think it is small. Cars weren't around for the last ice age, or any ice age for that matter. The fact is that oxygen levels on earth and the earth's atmosphere has never been a constant over time. Changes in oxygen levels have been around since the beginning of the planet, more than 6000 years ago (oh, and less than 5 billion years ago too), and these changes have led to major extinctions, and up until now, man wasn't around for those other "end times."
Changes in the earth's atmosphere gave rise to the dinosaurs, but science giveth and science taketh awayeth; atmospheric change also killed off the dinosaurs. Of course, the death of the dinosaurs allowed for man to be king of the world.
Animals have started evolving already because of the new climate. For example, the pitcher plant mosquito is being observed to change it's breeding habits.
Are we evolved enough to handle the inevitable changes that are in store for planet earth? In the long run though, it won't matter. As Stardust points out, the earth is toast.
April 11, 2007
Pope Pretty Much Admits He Is An Agnostic
All you have to do is read between the lines in the new German book, Schoepfung und Evolution (Creation and Evolution), and it is pretty evident that Pope Benedict is an agnostic who is trying to keep his sham religion alive (all religions are shams, but some are shammier than others).
First off, the Pope stayed clear of the ID "argument" altogether, which is a pretty clear admission that knows Behe and Dumbski are full of garbage, and he also stayed clear of creationist crapola too.
Lets look at the quotes shall we:
"Science has opened up large dimensions of reason ... and thus brought us new insights.....science has narrowed the way life's origins are understood and Christians should take a broader approach to the question."
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What you really are saying that science has disproved the idea of a young earth and creationism, and the only way to keep the Catholic church alive in light of scientific fact is to come up with new bullshit reasons for why God would have done things the way he did it.
"the Darwinist theory of evolution is not completely provable because mutations over hundreds of thousands of years cannot be reproduced in a laboratory....We cannot haul 10,000 generations into the laboratory."
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Notice the word "completely"? Yes, scientists know that it is impossible to do millions of years of evolution in a lab. And yes, many people will say that unless they see something for themselves it can't be "completely" provable. But what you the Pope, does admit, is that the earth is much older than 10,000 years. And that your only defense against evolution is that fact it takes too damn long for species changes to occur. Popey, you are admitting that evolution is fact, in other words.
"But it is also true that the theory of evolution is not a complete, scientifically proven theory."
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Well duh. There is no such thing as a scientifically proven theory. You are trying to pull a fast one here, in order to keep the Catholics, who would think about changing religions, if you admitted to being an agnostic evolutionist.
"The question is not to either make a decision for a creationism that fundamentally excludes science, or for an evolutionary theory that covers over its own gaps and does not want to see the questions that reach beyond the methodological possibilities of natural science."
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Yep, the old theistic evolution argument. I like it much better than the YEC argument. Actually, I like it a lot better. But see, here is the thing. You realize that scientific theory is based on observable facts. But you have to come up a reason to keep the flock together by trying to invent a big picture, that you have no proof of, or no evidence of. This makes you agnostic. An agnostic is someone who deep down hopes there is a God, knowing full well there is no evidence of one. They hope that there is a bigger picture and a guiding hand, but really know that there isn't. As gaps become less and less, more agnostics have the courage to state they are atheist. I doubt you will admit you are an Atheist, Benedict. You are too old to change your agnostic ways.
"I find it important to underline that the theory of evolution implies questions that must be assigned to philosophy and which themselves lead beyond the realms of science."
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Well actually the theory of evolution doesn't have to imply philosophical questions, unless you are hoping for something that almost for sure isn't there. Without philosophical questions about evolution, you have no reason to keep up the charade of Catholicism, right Popey?
"The process (evolution) itself is rational despite the mistakes and confusion as it goes through a narrow corridor choosing a few positive mutations and using low probability.....This ... inevitably leads to a question that goes beyond science ... where did this rationality come from?..... it came from the creative reason of God."
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So evolution is confusing because scientist don't ask why it is happening philosophically? I got you Popey, nudge nudge wink wink. It is about time you threw in the word "God." I was starting to worry about you forgetting about what your job is. Like I said, without making evolution (which you seem to embrace as 100% fact) philosophical, you got zero, and you might as well turn the Vatican into a Mosque, because Muslims aren't as enlightened as you are.
"Just who is this nature or evolution as (an active) subject? It doesn't exist at all!....evolution has a rationality that the theory of purely random selection could not explain."
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Are you now saying evolution and nature are God? Isn't that just renaming evolution and nature? You are starting to sound like a Buddhist now.
C'mon Popey, don't start pretending you don't know what evolution and that it is a lot more than purely random selection. I can see right through you. You are worried, as you should be that Catholics start leaving your church and become Muslims or Evangelist Christians, science forbid. Actually, I have respect for that, you are trying to help out mankind by not admitting your true beliefs, and creating more ass backward Fundies.
Hey Popey, how come no mention of Jesus? You must be reading my blog, and have concluded that the dude never existed.
I might as well add this video that AngloAmerican posted in my comments since it fits with the Catholic theme. Most atheists probably have seen this already. I saw it yesterday for the first time:
April 9, 2007
Thoughts on Passover and Easter
First off, I stayed clear of both celebrations this year. I didn't even accompany my wife to my neighbour's house for Easter turkey, or whatever it is people eat on Easter.
I admit, I watched a few National Geographic's and Discovery Civilization "documentaries" about Jesus and the Exodus. Now, you have to understand, it has only been three years since I made the discovery that a historical Jesus and a historical Exodus have zero contemporary evidence attached to either. I always assumed that lots of Jews left Egypt around 3200 years ago, and that Jesus was a Jewish rebel rabbi.
For me, it started innocently enough. I was just looking for descriptions of what Jesus looked like from historical sources, because at the time there was lots of news about Mel Gibson's The Passion, which was just announced as going into production.
I started doing internet searches, and wound up finding out that there is no historical evidence that Jesus even existed. In fact, there were lots of similar stories to what the Christ story evolved into over time. There is historical evidence that the similar stories were part of the cultural myths, and they were there way before Jesus supposedly lived.
The Exodus revelation happened for me in a similar way. Actually a Jew hater asked for evidence that Jews left Egypt around 3200 years ago. Again, I did my internet searches, and now I'm convinced that Judaism most likely combined the Zoroastrian beliefs and the monotheistic views of Akhenaten. There is very little out there to make me believe that Judaism even existed prior around 700 BC and perhaps, it is even younger than that, when Ezra wrote the myths down. That could have easily been the birth of Judaism. For sure, there is no evidence whatsoever that Jews were slaves in Egypt, and the numbers who supposedly left were improbable regardless of evidence (but so are the plagues).
Watching from the perspective of knowing that no evidence exists, when tons of evidence should exist (please apologists, just shut up on this one), I just shook my head a lot and watched theologians and pseudo historians explain what happened.
To me, when it comes to these dolts trying to figure out/make excuses as to whether Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married or had sex, for example, is like watching someone trying to figure out if The Cat In The Hat was gay or not.
If you take a step back, and listen to all the speculation and excuses, like why it took 40 years for Jews to cross the Sinai, when it takes 10 days to walk it going into a gale force wind, you just have to laugh...........if you are a rational human being, that is.
Both the Jesus story, and the Exodus story, sound like children's stories to me now. I just can't get over how easy it is for so many adults to fall for these obvious make believe tales.
I guess if the stories were based on real people and events, the stories would never have made past the 200's.
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