May 4, 2006

Don't Let The Left Bring The Rational Right's Guard Down

Thanks to regular reader Heartlander for bringing a couple of links to my attention. The first is from Israpundit: Islam’s ‘Plan’ To Take Over the USA in twenty years. Note: The article is almost 3 years old; so there is only 17 years left in Islam's plan.

The second link is from Little Green Footballs here is a video which shows Libya's Muammar Gaddafi making no bones about how he expects Muslims to take over the world. Europe first, of course.

Check out My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy's take on Rantings of a Sandmonkey's post on why America will lose the War on Terror.

And for some absolute fun visit Desecrate Holy Books: The New Blasphemy. Here is a video he made that is sure to piss off a certain group of people who get pissed off really easy:

28 comments:

  1. Ok Muslims can't even take over the Middle East, let along Europe and North America.

    When Nasser tried to unite with Syria under the banner of Pan-Arab unity, it failed because they couldn't get along. And now Islam is supposed to galvanize Sunni and Shia (who seem to enjoy killing each other at various points in history) to turn against us Kafir and People of the Book? Hardly. When they get their own shit together, then we can worry about them converting us.

    This fear of Muslim takeover is textbook Islamophobia. Worse, AJ, what you'll see is the fear of Muslims propelling evangelicals even more into power here (like Jerry Falwell, etc).

    In popular society, atheism doesn't lead the fight against Islam, Christianity will and then we'll be left screwed by the 2 billion strong victor.

    Let's get our facts straight: Muslims are not out to get us. I have friends who are Muslim, I know lots of Muslims and they are not interested in decapitating me (maybe a sucker punch every now and then though). But if this post was really about "extreme Islam" then you should have made it more clear because the "accidental generalization" of yours is not much of an accident anymore. You know what you're doing.

    To me, what you've got here is a McCarthy style witchhunt against the new Communists - Muslims.

    You attack the left for being weak on Terror, well, maybe you should look around at who your ideological allies are AJ. I'll give you a hint, they aren't atheists. And if/when the evangelical right wins, you'll be out in the cold.

    Fight for a tolerant, secular society, not one tyrannical against Muslims. Who, btw, are 1.5 billion strong. I hope you have a plan for dealing with them all because if they really all do want us dead, we're dead. Somehow I think they just want to work and raise their families just like the rest of us.

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  2. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ‘’Abed.'’

    Oh, wow. Also, they also fail to tell Russian-Americans that the English word for Slav and slave is nigh on the same. OMFG.

    This shit is utterly ridiculous. Bah.

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  3. OMG, that Islamotard video was awesome! I'm sending that to my favorite Orthodox Jew who has a "fan" club in Saudi Arabia! (Aaron's cc, of course.)
    I'm dyin' heah! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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  4. Who says satire is dead? Good to see Gilliams animation techniques still work.

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  5. Steve. Read Sandmonkeys post. He lives in Egypt. You are OTL as far as what Muslims want to accomplish as a whole.
    Your head is in the sand with what is happening in France and Sweden for example. Australia has woken up. You haven't.
    Your perfect ideological world is fine on paper, but it doesn't work in the real world. Just like the IP situation. Israel can't negotiate with someone who has a goal of destroying them unless Israel commits suicide first. You are a fool not to see this.
    I realize that many Atheists are ideological Moonbats like you are. I've written posts about them. All Atheists do not share the same view of reality though. I know I'm right about just about everything when it comes to no supernatural being and the Islam menace, I'm not living in lala land.
    Individually Muslims are just people.
    But they are mostly passive when it comes to resistance of the radical element, and even worse, they are terror apologists like you are in general.
    Leopetr, it isn't all that ridiculous.
    Beth, I knew you'd like it.
    Simon, the video is great.

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  6. I really don't see this as a left or right issue. I see this as a worldwide shift towards religious fundamentalism. This shift towards fundamentalism is happening in judaism, christianity and islam and probably hinduism though I have less information concerning that.
    The more frightened people become, the more conservative/traditional/religious they become. One of the consequences of this shift can be religious fundamentalism. Religious fundamentalism leads to irrational violence. For if you have fundamental beliefs, there is no room for negotiation with others of different fundamental beliefs.
    Also, apparently in the modern era, the gods aren't powerful enough to do their own killing, and they need religious nutcases and politicans to perpetrate the killing and bloodshed for them.

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  7. Hey, thanks for the press, Atheist Jew!

    Simon, I was wondering when someone would catch wind of the "Gillanimation" influence. ;-)

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  8. beaj,

    I think one needs to be careful about putting labels on people and issues. I have found that those that label others usually don't think too much about real issues and usually have a biased agenda or outlook themselves.
    As an example, the Bush administration in the U.S. is often cited as a 'Conservative Administration', but when you look at the facts they have spent more money and made government larger than any so called 'Liberal Administration' in history. They have also helped spread Islamic Fundamentalism and Western hatred way beyond the wildest dreams of any of those Muslims that do want to take over the world.

    I agree with beepbeepitsme this is not a right or left issue it is a religious fundamentalist issue whose true underlying agenda is control of the masses and the outcome, which is more power and wealth.

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  9. Aaron's cc: approves.

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  10. BEAJ - I don't care if Sandmonkey lives in Egypt. I live in America, does that mean my word is Gold when it comes to life here?

    As for being a "terror" apologist that's absurd, I've written many things on my blog against suicide bombing in Israel, as well as suicide bombing as a whole. I don't think people need to *prove* that they are against terrorism, I'd like to think as a society that's a given.

    But see you've once again switched. In your main post you just said "Islam" is a threat. Now in your comments you say "Muslims are just individuals" and then "they are passive" when it comes to extremists.

    Well, if extremists are the threat, why don't you say that in your main post? You oscilate between the worlds 1.5 bn Muslims, and the extremists. I gather you see them as one in the same.

    Where that fits every Muslim I've ever met in my life who contradicts that stereotype, I don't know. Where that puts their families who just want to work and raise families I don't know. I guess your world only has room for certain people.

    And funny, it seems like you're Hamas there AJ. Just as they require the destruction of Israel for peace, you require the destruction of Islam for global sanity. I wonder, why are they wrong and you right?

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  11. The Left doesn't see the Islamic threat. The Left tend to believe that humans are individuals and we act as individuals, and that those who commit heinous acts have external pressures on them to do so whether they are societal, governmental, etc. They tend to blame everyone but those who commit the heinous acts.

    I know I'm lumping a whole lot of people together here, I am generalizing. But I do ask the lefties to see the video out of Libya above for starters.

    Steve, I just don't speak your language. You just don't understand me. Either I'm from Mars or you are from Mars. But I find it tiresome that you just don't have a clue regarding what my points are or what I'm trying to say.

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  12. Atheist Jew, I don't know if this is worth it- the poor boy is only twenty-three and he even spelled the word "routine" wrong on his blog entry about Stephen Colbert.

    Funny guy.

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  13. I really don't have a bias against age.
    God's Loyal Opposition is only 19 or 20.
    But he knows what he is talking about. And he seems to understand what I'm saying most of the time.

    Steve keeps on drawing the wrong conclusions about my what I'm saying. He also focuses on the least meaningless parts of my post and seems to ignore many relevant facts.

    And I've been through this with him around 5 times now. Yes, he might need more years to go by before he gets it.

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  14. Vile Blasphemer - I did a quick spell check of your blog and you mis-spelled archived, "archieved" on your top post, guess that means your critique of Islam isn't valid.

    BEAJ - I'm not asking much. Please take more consideration to preface your opinions with the words "I'm generalizing" or "Im referring to extreme Islam" just so the majority of Muslims who go to work every day without so much as C4 going off, don't get caught in your crossfire.

    You are providing your opponents unnecessary ammunation. I am totally opposed to shar'iah, and religious freaks in general. If you would stick to that, instead of saying all Muslims are evil, we could even find some common ground.

    Lya (from what I recall) has even said she dated a Muslim. Ask her if you really think every Muslim is trying to take over, or EVEN if she thinks that ex of hers owes us all an apology for what some dude in Morocco did last week.

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  15. Again Steve, I'll say it one more time. Most Muslims are not speaking out or doing anything to show that they are against violent acts by Muslims including those that occurred in protest to the cartoons recently.
    That is all I will say to you here, because the more I say, the less you seem to understand.

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  16. "Fight for a tolerant, secular society, not one tyrannical against Muslims. Who, btw, are 1.5 billion strong." from Steve the closet Jihadist

    That is the tagline of the absolute Muslim subversive. They ALWAYS state that figure, in a form of not so subliminal threats. Fuck you, Steveabdullah Islamasux!

    "Let's get our facts straight: Muslims are not out to get us."

    If that's a fact, perhaps you can easily prove it.

    "You attack the left for being weak on Terror, well, maybe you should look around at who your ideological allies are AJ. I'll give you a hint, they aren't atheists. And if/when the evangelical right wins, you'll be out in the cold."

    more total bs, the left is the perfect dhimmi for you, "Steve"

    "And now Islam is supposed to galvanize Sunni and Shia (who seem to enjoy killing each other at various points in history) to turn against us Kafir and People of the Book? Hardly." again from "traitor Steve"

    You are the first "Westerner" I know to refer to himself, using the standard Arab denigrating terms.

    Final analysis....You are a piece of shit Muslim Troll.

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  17. The term Kafir in Arabic means "unbeliever" which is something I would say in English anyway. It is true that Kafir's are not well respected in the Qur'an, but it does not mean the term itself is degrading.

    BEAJ - we'll leave it there then. Honestly, I like 99% of the stuff you post here, it's on this one topic that we simply can't agree.

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  18. I see a religious fundamentalist threat. Most of those religious fundamentalists are rightwingers, whether they are muslims, christians, jews or hindus.

    The rightwing in any nation are traditionally the religious lot. If you are religious, you are more likely to have conservative, traditional, values. Not much is more conservative or traditional than having a religious worldview. Regardless of which religious it is you are brainwashed into.

    This is not to say that the leftwing do not have religious people. But they are more likely to be religiously liberal, secularists, agnostics, secular humanists or atheists. Conservatives by default, are more likely to become religious fundamentalists.

    It is more unlikely to be presented with leftwing religious extremists. Let's face it, the left are more likely to be atheists like me, secularists or religious liberals who believe in pluralistic societies.

    I see no sense in becoming as violent and aggressive as some of the rightwing religious maniacs. I am better than them, I refuse to become anything like them.

    And those politicians who pander to their own religious fundamentalists in order to combat the religious fundamentalism in other nations, they have really missed the point about what the west is trying to preserve.

    Atheists like me try to remind them how fragile our secular democracies are, but they seem intent on becoming nations of christian fascists, jewish fascists or muslim fascists who want to fight and kill each other.


    If the politicans in our nations saw the threat of religious fundamentalism, they would recognise that threat in THEIR OWN POPULACE. But they are too busy trying to get their own religious nutcases to vote for them.

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  19. Let me pose a question to the "group": A society oppressive towards Muslims is not secular, correct?

    Thus stiring up an irrational fear of Muslims would be advocating for a non-secular society, correct?

    And atheists are supposed to support secular societies, correct?

    just checking. I just want to be able to tell all my friends that atheism isn't the same thing as bigotry.

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  20. Steve, as a girl who has lived in Middle East, I can say that most Muslims do support Alqaeda and their terrorist acts, however many do lie about it when they talk to foreigners. All the Muslims I have talked to in Australia have told me that the terrorist acts of september 11, the suicide bombing in Israel and Iraq are justified. The only exception were the Kurds, the Iranians and the Turks and I'm not kidding.

    I do agree with you that WAR ON TERROR has not helped in fighting against religion. I feel the world has actually has become more attracted to religion rather than been repelled from it.

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  21. Oh, and I have to agree with the AJ on the left being too ignorant of muslim exteremist. Here in australia, there was what I call a hero's welcome for the Australian guantanamo detainee from the political left. I consider myself to be on the center-left but I think the left is tooooo accepting of every stranger they see. Not a very smart move.

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  22. " I can say that most Muslims do support Alqaeda and their terrorist acts"

    Really. 300 Million Supporters, gosh you're almost amazed there were only 19 highjackers.

    Now, let's break this down by country:
    Afghanitsan (central asia, but still) - did the northern alliance support al-qaeda? Does that mean America supported an al-qaeda supporter?
    Egypt - Do you think the victims of the sharm el sheikh disaster support al-qaeda? Considering how dependent Egypt is on tourism (remember, no oil) and the pragmatic approach Egypt has taken towards states like Israel, I would think they would not be 100% pro Al-Qaeda, pro terrorism.
    Lebanon - Does Hezbollah support al-qaeda? Im pretty sure they are aligned with Iran, which is Shia, which is diametrically opposed to al-qaeda
    Iraq - 60% shia, and as you know shia's are no fan of zarqawi (shrine bomber), or wahhabi islam (al-qaeda).
    Dubai - I didn't know Wahabi's shopped in so many malls.

    But even if it were "only" turks, kurds, and iranians, is that not well over 150 million people in the Middle East who don't support Al-Qaeda? Not to mention all the other countries...

    In fact, most Muslims I speak to from the Middle East indicate that they blame America and the Soviets for the CREATION of al-qaeda.

    Im curious, what country in the Middle East did you live in? And are you Muslim?

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  23. Steve, you mean that the Muslims you know didn't blame Al Qaeda for the attacks? How shocking.

    Just keep on making excuses for Islamic terror and/or deny it is a problem.

    Beep Beep, I can overcome a philosophical war, and people who want to keep their head in the where science is concerned. I have a problem with terrorists and a physical threat.

    Jews and Hindu Fundies don't often look for recruits, so they really aren't much of a threat.

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  24. I did a quick spell check of your blog and you mis-spelled archived, "archieved" on your top post, guess that means your critique of Islam isn't valid.

    I haven't made any critique of Islam. Since you don't know, I make fun of EVERYONE. Well, not everyone yet- give me time I just started.

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  25. however many do lie about it when they talk to foreigners.

    You're exactly right, roya. For Steve: that's called taqiyya, and the Quran is quite clear about it. Omission, deception, etc. (IOW, lies) are not only allowed, they're encouraged, when dealing with kuffar. Look it up. Ask a secular Muslim/ex-Muslim.

    I find it rather irritating that the left advocates "understanding" Islam, when they clearly don't understand it at all themselves.

    BTW, breaking news: WMDs found all over Iraq! (They're called Qurans.)

    And before you go calling anyone a bigot, Steve, you have to realize there's a difference between criticizing a religion/calling it evil and being bigoted. See also: yourself.

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  26. "Really. 300 Million Supporters, gosh you're almost amazed there were only 19 highjackers."

    How many hijackers do you think were needed to bring dawn the twin towers? 300 million?

    I much as I know, there are terrorist activities happening in Isreal, Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya (remember the beslan school terror?), Sudan and other areas around the world. There were also attacks in Spain, Britain and Indonesia, as much as I can recall. were they done by those 19 hijackers as well? Wow! Thanks for informing me.

    "Iraq - 60% shia, and as you know shia's are no fan of zarqawi (shrine bomber), or wahhabi islam (al-qaeda)."

    And as much as I know, it is them who believe fighting to death the most. The highest Khalifa of Shias' didn't give up, eventhough the people with him were mainly consisted of only his followers families. At the end all the 72 people who were with him (mostly women and children) died. This made him a hero among the Shias. The may not like what is happening to them but they are no pacifists.

    The first suicide bombing was done by the Iranian Shais in Iran-Iraq war. The Sunnies coppied. Lol :)

    "In fact, most Muslims I speak to from the Middle East indicate that they blame America and the Soviets for the CREATION of al-qaeda."

    Exactly. And what they really mean is that their act is justified. Muslims always see themselves as the good guys and every one else is .... well you know.

    I am from Iran but I was born muslim. I have studied Islam, and have enlisted as a basij (a muslim fighter) at age eleven. Well just for fun of it. It had its advanteges.

    What I mean is I know what I'm talking about. And about the Kurdish, Iranian stuff, what I ment was that this was my experience. Besides,I said most not all when refering to muslims. ther will always be an exception in any group.

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  27. Re steve "Let me pose a question to the "group": A society oppressive towards Muslims is not secular, correct?"
    I understand what you are saying with this. My understanding is that some religions by their nature cannot promote and respect secularism. Fundamentalists of ANY religion cannot be secularists. Fundamentalists play the "Highlander Movie Game" >>>> "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE."

    For this reason, christianity in its more fundamental form cannot be secular. Neither can islam. Fundamental religions work towards having a "religious monopoly" or a religious theocracy. Only the more liberal versions of religions are satisfied with a pluralistic or a secular worldview. And only religious people who are prepared to keep their faith separate from their politics will be happy in a pluralistic society.

    For these reasons, I don't think that traditional muslims, jews, or christians can EVER be truly happy in a secular society. Each of them want a society where their religion plays a major part in the political decision making.

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  28. Steve (and anyone else who thinks that being harsh on Muslims and Islam is not okay)

    You heard it from Maumar's mouth: Islam is going to subvert the world, Europe first. That is their plan. You heard it in the video if you watched it, and still you choose to ignore what is being said. Maumar isn't the only one saying these things. There are blogs all over the place that have the same information but from different sources and many of those are reciprocol links with BEAJ. Start at http://www.faithfreedom.org to get an eye-opening experience. Look at the debates that OP-Ed Ali Sina has had with different supporters (and scholars) of Islam.

    You are refusing to see what it is you are looking at. It's coming and the very reason it will reach the US and Canada and Australia and the very reason that Sweden and Norway are nearly lost is because of the failure to call the invasion what it is. We are seeing a "back door" approach to this phenomenon in the guise of Political Correctness. Attack my position if you want to, that is up to you. Stay in denial. When they cut off your head for being an infidel, your head will stay in the sand, right where you left it.

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