May 22, 2006
Palestinian Poll
Hat tip to Comment Pimpette. HAHAHAHA
Great analogy of the Israel-Palestinian conflict from the BBC message board by a poster named Leffeblond:
"The Arab states have turned Israel into a larger version of the Warsaw ghetto with their threats to drive Israel into the sea and funding terrorists. This time though that ghetto is armed and will defend itself.
I see the reluctance by the Arab nations to cede that small sliver of land as nothing more than territorial greed, as Arab League nations stretch from the Atlantic to Iraq."
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Excellent poll, Bacon.
ReplyDeleteThere is a civil war INSIDE the great religion of peace... wonderful stuff. Why, it's jihad and some sort of auto-asshat-fratricide all in one.
They 'never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity' and seize death by the horns.
Oh, yeah... and God is Great.
I would have to say no, the Palestinians are not the biggest assmonkeys on this planet. As you know, I sympathize with their cause to some extent, but I oppose the means by which some of them try to attain it. I have a great deal of sympathy for non-terrorist Palestinians, of which there are many.
ReplyDeleteI know Frances. I'll excuse you on this one.
ReplyDeleteThen Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
ReplyDelete--Luke 23:34
As we all know, words are powerful…especially dying words. It's important that each of us remembers just exactly what Jesus had to say right before His earthly life ended.
One of the last things Jesus said while hanging from the cross were words of forgiveness.
Today I want to ask you, if Christ could pray a prayer of forgiveness for those who were putting Him to death, can you pray a prayer of forgiveness for those in your life who mistreat you?
Despite what you may be going through today, can you look past your own "junk" and extend forgiveness to others?
Jesus' dying words on the cross are a powerful example of how you and I ought to treat those who mistreat us. Are you willing to follow His perfect example in every area of your life today? Will you extend forgiveness to those who don't deserve it?
I challenge you to pick up your cross today…and live out the life of forgiveness Christ has given you!
Steve, Frances is rational, and I don't think he pretends to know the whole story either. He doesn't resort to call me a racist either.
ReplyDeleteJ, Jesus is a myth. You are living a lie.
HA!!!! But no fair, I voted for "biggest assmonkeys in the universe" but it's ALSO an insult to assmonkeys.
ReplyDeleteYou need to get the Apes and Pigs Alliance button I've got at my site. Atheists count. You're an atheist ape! I'm just a pig! Oink!
That button is so me.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
I get in as an ethnic Jew regardless.
Mohammed was too clueless to cover Atheists in the Koran.
Can I answer 'yes' to the first 4 questions?
ReplyDeleteI had to say that the Palestinians are terrorists and I didn't find this funny because I lived in Israel for 22 years. When you have lived with the threat under your nose and have known people who have died in terrorist attacks, calling the perpetrators "assmonkeys" seems childish and lame. Best to call them by their rightful name: terrorists. Don't forget that they elected Hamas in a democratically held election, a sign that they actively choose terror as their means of operation and naught else.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you Apikoros, that is why I put that answer in the poll. I'd like to see you get in a conversation with another poster here who goes by RA.
ReplyDeleteHa, lots of people have issues that Israel exists in the first place. The settlements are a red herring, and you can't move 200,000 settlers. It isn't Arab land any ways. Jordan gave up rights to the land in 1988. Now it is disputable territories.
ReplyDeleteFor those who have never seen this site, it puts forth the concept well enough:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html
It is also true that the late King Hussein of Jordan formally renounced any claim over the West Bank back in 1988. It was a deft maneuver on his part that left the West Bank totally in Israeli hands, for better or for worse. It also took all the pressure off Jordan with regard to the peace process, because Jordan had been the logical partner to be involved in such a process up to that point. By doing so, Jordan made it clear that it wanted nothing to do with the Palestinians nor with the Palestinian problem.
That is great Apik, needs music though.
ReplyDeleteHere is the link again.
Hey, FYI, there's a smaller version of the apes and pigs button at the site where I got it.
ReplyDeleteBeth, I used the small version but I made it bigger by going with a 200 by 200 instead of 150 by 150.
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't fucktard in the poll? I'd vote for that. But I'll settle for biggest assmonkeys in the universe.
ReplyDeleteI have no opinion. Odd as that may sound. I do not give Israel a free pass. My guru once said, blessed be his unspoken-name, what profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?
ReplyDeleteI am not Jewish, although for 40 years now I have reflected a Jewish sensibility. Isreal began as the embodiment of a dream, an idea. Over time I've watched it evolve into something other than my beginning dream. It will evolve more. Even if I don't "endorse" what Israel will become, I will continue to be "Jewish" in how I react to it. Damn, I hate when that happens.
Houston, I don't give anyone a free pass either. But this poll isn't about Israel, it is about the Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteLya, I am no fan of the the settlements. They were a mistake, and every country makes mistakes.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it is not feasible to move 200,000 people from medium sized cities.
If Israel had a sincere negotiating partner, then land swaps and cash for land could be ironed out.
Maybe the starving of the Palestinians will get them to come to their senses....but I've been optimistic before...and the voting in of Hamas made me lose all hope.
Love the poll, Bacon.
ReplyDeleteStopping by just to say keep up the good work.
Sorry I haven't been around much. Been busy with school, and even though the spring semester is over, I am taking an interim class, then have two more summer classes. As such my own blog has suffered, but I intend on getting back on the horse soon as I can.
Johdarr
Your blog went into a coma. I figured you forgot about it.
ReplyDeleteComment Pimpette: With all due respect, you have a poor understanding of the "green line". Israel at its inception covered an area smaller than what is considered within the green line today. When massive Arab armies attacked the fledgling Jewish state, Israel was able to obtain defensible borders (at great cost of life and limb). The Green line was merely a cease-fire agreement imposed by world powers. The surrounding Arab nations never agreed to these borders. Israel gladly accepted the borders as a way to stop the violence. The West bank territories were captured by Israel during the 6 day war when the very same arab armies threatened Israel's very existence. Again, Israel needed to secure defensible borders. Had the Arabs been willing to negotiate after the 1948 war or after the 6 day war, we would not even need to have this discussion.
ReplyDeleteI reccomend that you look at a map, read some history, and visit Israel. You will develop a much different perspective. You will also find that Israel is the only country in that entire region that subscribes to the same liberal ideals that you do.
Sincerely,
The Jewish Freak
I love the types who say Zionists go back to where they came from.
ReplyDelete65% of Jews today in Israel were born in Israel.
Arab Muslims have a warped sense of home.
I'm not even sure where exactly my grandmother lived in Romania or my great grandmother in Poland or my great grandfather in Iraq or my great grandfather in Poland.
And I don't identify with any of it to be home for me. Canada is my home.
If a Saudi couple moves to the USA and has a kid, is the kid a Saudi or an American?
To those of you who say you are optimistic, remember the Hebrew proverb:
ReplyDelete"A pessimist is an optimist with experience."
Actually, the Palestinians are #2. They were edged out by "Soccer Fans".
ReplyDeleteYou keep implying that the Palis will have a love-in once a "just" solution is arrived at.
ReplyDeleteA "just" solution for the Hamas is Jews drowning in the sea.
I was addressing Lya's point about how long a person has to claim "his land" and many Paliphiles I've bumped into in cyberspace say that Zionists should go back to where they came from.....you know that.
As is the case with most quotations, I find that the original is hard to beat, and revisionists only distort the meanings.
ReplyDeleteThe Palestinians will never see any solution as just that recognizes Israel's right to exist. The fact that they elected Hamas has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. THEY have left no room for discussion.
Abbas basically got in by default.
ReplyDeleteIsrael wasn't stopping the strides in peace from Arafats death to the Hamas election.
Sorry, but I must have missed them stop playing nice.
The peace process does not take place in my mind. It is supposed to take place between Israel and the Arabs. However, it isn't happening, and the refrain that everyone keeps hearing is that until a just solution is found for the Palestinian problem, there will be no peace.
ReplyDeleteBefore Hamas was elected, it was up to the Palestinian people to elect a government to represent it in the peace process. The people chose Hamas, thereby expressing their desire not to pursue peace or co-existence with Israel. So if there had been a hope for peace prior to the election, it was just that: a hope for peace but not a realistic hope because the Palestinians would not support a peaceful co-existence with Israel.
Hamas has neither agreed to recognize Israel nor to co-exist with Israel peacefully. Hamas maintains its hard-line policy and the majority of the Palestinian people identify with that policy as evidenced by the election. With such a policy in place, the chances of a peaceful solution with Israel seem slim to none.
I think you have revised history a bit there Pimpette. See here
ReplyDeleteThe Gaza withdrawel I believe was negotiated while Arafat and Sharon were in power. The Roapmap to Peace, remember that?
Again, Abbas was really the only candidate who had a chance, and the militants/terrorists supported him too.
Amona was emptied out too. Yet the Palestinians who have never failed at missing an opportunity voted in terrorists whose platform is to destroy Israel.
Sometimes in politics, the lips move and the actions are different. With Hamas, their lips move and suicide bombs go off just like they intend them to.
Don't forget, negotitations were going on contrary to whatever history you are rewriting but both Israel and the Palestinians were also in election mode. Everyone knew that major hands were tied until the elections were done with.
Here is another link.
ReplyDeleteSteve, Frances is rational, and I don't think he pretends to know the whole story either. He doesn't resort to call me a racist either.
ReplyDeleteThank you for the defense.
I think you know that I am not anti-Semitic, and you afford me respect as such. My opposition is to certain Israeli POLICIES. My views on those policies have absolutely no relationship with the religion of the policy makers. Israel could be an overtly atheistic country, and I would still have the same policy objections.
I'm not against the Israeli people or the Palestinian people, generally speaking. I hate lumping people together into groups, whether it's Palestinians or Jews or blacks or whites. I look at people as individuals, not as members of a larger group. Group affiliation means little or nothing to me, compared to individual merits.
The problem in the middle east is that reality creates group affiliations.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing is other people use group affiliations in very bad ways.
Hitler murdered Jews for being born Jews, he didn't care what they believed.
In other Arabs countries Jews and even Christians in many have Dhimmi status.
So Israel must be a majority Jewish state out of necessity, for survival purposes.
"But why no tears for the other side? "
ReplyDeleteBecause they are the other side. They danced in the streets after 911. They kill Americans.
Steve, shedding tears for the Palestinians is like shedding tears for cancer.
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