I could easily do a Part Three, but I won't, I promise:
This 2 minute brief animation out does me. But what can I do?:
The Birth of a Nation video looks pretty good and factual. I only watched part one so far. Here it is, with links to the other parts available here:
No nation has been formed with everyone being happy. Israel has been under attack since the day it became a sovereign country. No country is perfect, and especially when attacked for 59 years. The chances that a country does everything right is zero. Yet Paliphiles must think that Israel should behave perfectly. They hold Israel to much higher standards than they hold anyone else in the region. Paliphiles must think Arab Muslims are extremely inferior.
If the Muslim Arabs dropped their arms, there would be peace in Israel and the Palestinians would have a state.
I agree with you. I posted this article last summer and got a lot of crap for it.
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Your video isn't worth rebutting: it's muddled, partisan, inaccurate, uses very poor analogies and simply mirrors some arguments used by some extremist Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteAs long as there exists a majority on both sides of the fence that thinks your way, no resolution of the conflict can ever be in sight and both will continue to play the victim card. In the long term this is as damaging to Israel as it is to the Palestinian people.
You haven't made a single point that merits attention: it's same old, same old... tit-for-tat-for-tit-for-tat-for-tit-for-tat...
But then I wouldn't expect much more from a Canadian who believes the US is the supercop of the world...
Gert, your criticism of my video isn't worth rebutting. There was not one substantial point made by you.
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ReplyDeleteisrael is a third world red headed bully bastard stepchild of the US that leeches off Uncle Sucker supported by the jew controlled congress and political machine. Canada is a pussified country led by pantywastes.
ReplyDeleteYou should get off this childish video thing of yours. You look like a supersize version of Beevis doing Cornholio.
ReplyDeleteThe Palestinians (arafat) turned down a palestinian state when it was offered. He made much more money being a terrorist envoy and criminal.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure who in the hell would want to take the side of a terrorist rather than the most developed democratic country in the middle east.
If the Muslim Arabs dropped their arms, there would be peace in Israel and the Palestinians would have a state.
ReplyDeleteRight on, BEAJ. But what would happen if Israel dropped its arms?
Several million dead Israelis, most likely...
That's the Arab/muslim idea of equality, for you...
BEAJ:
ReplyDeleteThe point I made "As long as there exists a majority on both sides of the fence that thinks your way, no resolution of the conflict can ever be in sight and both will continue to play the victim card. In the long term this is as damaging to Israel as it is to the Palestinian people." is actually very substantial and recognised by many to be crucial.
As I've indicated before, I've discussed the matter of Israel/Palestine G-d only knows how many times and I'm not about to start all over again. I'll therefore address two points of your presentation only.
On the right of return to Israel proper, I agree that this is something that cannot happen anymore. For Palestinians or descendents thereof, who can prove they possessed land in what is now Israel proper and were dispossessed, some form of financial compensation does seem in order at some point. The IC should bear part of the cost as they are partly responsible for this mess.
But on the West Bank issue I completely disagree and the relevant UN resolution (supported incidentally by your hero, the US) is on my side.
The Occupied Territories are a typical case of function creep. These lands were captured during the six day war and initially served as a security buffer. Early settlers in the zone were not well supported by the Israeli government. That support came later and somewhat grumbling. While not all Jewish settlers in the West Bank are religious settlers, the movement is decidedly religiously oriented and its leaders justify Jewish presence there on the grounds that the Jews are the chosen people and that YHWH gave the land to the Jewish people.
Currently, the settlements do not form a contiguous territory and allowing this situation to continue stands firmly in the way of a two-state solution (even if the Palestinians lay down arms tomorrow morning).
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It would be acceptable to have Jews live there if they accepted to live (with equal rights) under Palestinian rule, much in the same way that Arab Israelis live in Israel proper. This of course, is an idea the settlers would balk at completely: after all Judea-Samaria is theirs, G-d told them so!
ReplyDeleteIn my interpretation, these settlers have been ruthlessly used by successive Israeli governments as mere bargaining chips, in a bid to try and secure at least the larger settlement blocs (and possibly more) in a final status settlement.
And if the IC gives in and allows Israel to annex the West Bank, where will it end? Many Israelis have designs on more parts of the ME (parts of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon) and believe they can always justify their claims with 'ancient maps' of the alleged Kingdoms of Israel.
There are even entire websites dedicated to alternative interpretations of the 'Occupied Territories', according to which Jordan is an 'Occupied Territory': belonging to the Jews and occupied by the Arabs. Mad Zionist is someone who believes this: a new Jewish empire...
Your opinion on these matters is heavily tainted by dislike for anything Muslim/Arab, a dislike which you've even tried to justify by claiming Muslims are low IQ inbreeds.
Gert what about all the Jews that were tossed out of Arab land when Israel was formed. Don't they get reimbursed for their homes and business?
ReplyDeleteBlacksun, good article. Sorry I didn't comment earlier.
ReplyDeleteHammer, the LUNATIC FRINGE LEFT always sides with the one who has less, no matter what the hell their "victims" are thinking.
Gert, one question, did the West Bank settlements start the 1948 and 1967 wars?
Reza, only those who the left perceive to be victims get compensated. Don't you know how it works:)
Reza:
ReplyDeleteGert what about all the Jews that were tossed out of Arab land when Israel was formed. Don't they get reimbursed for their homes and business?
They were usually forced to sign documents turning over all of their property to the gov't's in question, and stating that they left and renounced their citizenship of their own free will.
This was done to prevent them from ever being compensated.
BEAJ:
ReplyDeleteThe 1967 war was indeed not started by Israel but that has nothing to do with the current use of these lands.
Anyway, I'm sure we'll have other opportunities to "cross words" over these issues.
Gert and BEAJ;
ReplyDelete"The 1967 war was indeed not started by Israel but that has nothing to do with the current use of these lands."
You believe that when Israel decided to launch a pre-emptive strike on Egypt it was Egypt who started the war (1967).
Pray tell, when Japan decided to attack Pearl Harbor was it America that started the WWII with Japan?
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BDE, it must be frustrating constantly trying to peddle your bs and revisionist history throughout the internet.
ReplyDeleteIf someone breaks into your home with the intention of killing you, but you happen to realize it and shoot first, I guess according to your logic, you started the altercation.
Go peddle elsewhere BDE, your crap is old.
Hey, BEAJ, you may appreciate my recent post on this matter.
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