I admit it. I like the concept of the Church of Reality: if it is real, we believe it. It all sounds good. I didn't like the idea of calling it a church, but that is just a minor peeve. My major peeve is that the founder has revealed himself to be a complete Moonbat, and he has started making his own rules up that have nothing to do with reality.
I have been on the C of R email list for some time now. Never taking anything serious.
But that changed a few days ago. Let Marc's own word's bury him here:
On 7/16/06, Marc Perkel
Dear Church of Reality Members,
I'm considering issuing and edict condemning the Israeli
with Lebanon. If there's a reason what I shouldn't I'd like to hear it.
But what I'm seeing is just plain wrong - big time!
Church of Reality
Here is how I responded:
Unprovoked? What is Israel supposed to do? Lebanon was
disband Hezbollah after the withdrawal of Lebanon a few years back.
You are way out to lunch here.
I ask you, if you were Israel what would you do?
His response (notice no answer to my question):
Lebanon isn'r able to control Hezbollah. Especially with Israel
Lebanon has condoned Hezbollah. Israel is trying their best to attack
Hezbollah, not civilians. Granted, Lebanon is weak, if it sincerely wants to rid itself of Hezbollah, obviously they can't or won't do
it....therefore, someone else(Israel) must.
Israel attacked Lebanon - not Hezbollah. They attacked the airports and
power plants and cutting off roard and bombing bridges.
Hezbollah is like Al Qaeda.. except they are Lebanons unofficial
army. the airport, power plant and bridge bombings are to prevent more missiles and weaponry coming into Lebanon.
Lebanon isn't stopping Hezbollah from getting Iranian missiles.
What makes you think Lebanon can? Why does a democract need to be bombed back to the stone age in order to serve Israel?
Where has Lebanon tried to stop it. I'm going to ask you a simple
question. What would you do if you were Israel?
Finally a stupid assmonkey answer to my question:
If I were Israel I would be the beacon of peace and sanity. I would
figure out whatever it takes to make people not want to hate jews and
create peace. Attacking Lebanon is just going to make more people hate Israel and will cost them in the long run.
Oh man, this made me shake my head and laugh at him. The guy needs a straight jacket.
But I replied: That is not an answer. Israel pulled out of two places and both
places are attacking them.
Don't wimp out here. I'm looking for a real answer. Arabs hate Jews
already. It has to do with Arab intolerance.
The only way Arabs won't hate Jews anymore is if Jews commit suicide.
The Western support for Israel has been unreal this time around. I'm
surprised that you are still looking at the conflict from only one
perspective. Lefties tend to side with the underdog. For some
reason, you think the Arabs are underdogs.
His reply: There are more that two sides here. Lebanon is an innocent third party.
You don't go to war over a kidnapping. That's insane.
I still didn't give up: It isn't about just the kidnapping. From Gaza, bombs are being lobbed
into Israel daily. The kidnapping there is just the tip of the
The Hezbollah attack was well planned, in Israel territory and
soldiers died. It was an act of war.
If Mexico had terrorists wanting Texas back, and the Mexican
government didn't get rid of them, and these terrorists kidnapped
Americans, lobbed bombs in Texas from Mexico, and sent the odd suicide
bomber into Austin, Houston and Dallas and blew up school children,
what would the USA do?
But Israel started the rocket attacks and they were against the country
of Lebanon bombing the entire nation back to the stone age.
My reply: Israel was attacking the cancer within Lebanon. Again, I ask you,
what would you do if you were Israel? How do you negotiate with
Hamas/Hezbollah mentality?, those who do not recognize Israel's right
to exist, and their main goal is to literally rid the middle east of
Again, you failed to understand my analogy with Mexico and the USA. or
you chose to ignore it.
War is war, innocent people will die. Israel just wants to live,
Arabs want them to die.
Finally to prove his insanity he issued this press release. (At least he took out "unproved war," out of it:
Marc Perkel - founder of the Church of Reality has today issued and
edict condemning the Israeli invasion. "Israel has gone insane." say
Marc Perkel who was raised Jewish and now stand is shock at what he is
witnessing in Lebanon. "This invasion is absolutely unjustified - it is
wrong. Israel destroyed the sovereign nation of Lebanon, a newly formed
western style democracy who would be the kind of nation that would have
been Israel's friend. Israel destroyed their roads, their airports,
their ports, their power plants, and indiscriminately bombing civilian
cities killing hundreds of innocent people far from the southern border.
Lebanon is not Hezbollah and Hezbollah is not Lebanon. Israel is
destroying the wrong enemy. Israel is destroying its own standing in the
"This is unproductive in that by launching an unjust war Israel has
empowered its enemies showing that Israelis are terrorists too. Israel
can not win the peace by mass slaughtering innocent people and
destroying a neighboring nation in an unprovoked attack. Israel has
given Islamic terrorists a new tool for recruiting assassins to kill not
only Israelis, but citizens from the rest of the civilized world. Israel
has put world peace at risk and this attack is an attack against
The Church of Reality asserts that Israel is not above international law
and it should have gone to the United Nations first to get a consensus
of the world community and acted along with other nations in a
coordinated and well thought our response. "To start a war over the
kidnapping of two people is just plain wrong. You don't kill hundreds to
save two. That's crazy!"
Details of the Church of Reality's position can be found here.
Marc, you've lost it. You gave no solution for what Israel should do
and more importantly, you do not formally denounce Hezbollah's
actions, in fact, you sympathize with the terrorists who started this.
I have taken myself off your list and removed you from my recommended
site list on my blog. I hope other members follow my lead here, if
they haven't already. You are clearly denying reality by condemning
The Atheist Jew
Just in case anyone has doubts about his idiocy, his final reply:
Fine - I don't need zionists in the CoR.
Why is it that those who blame Israel can only state what Israel shouldn't do, but can't come up with any answer to what they should do, outside of committing suicide that is?
I do have a great response now, not that it would have mattered with this dummy, when it comes to Hezbollah not being Lebanon: If that is true, than the IDF isn't Israel. So this crisis has nothing to do with Lebanon or Israel. They are off the hook. It is strictly between Hezbollah and the IDF.
Marc is definitely only seeing one side here. It is pathetic. Here is his latest blog post:
What if Israelis Kill Americans?
Letter to the Editor
What if Israelis start killing Americans? It could easily happen because Americans are also pinned down by Israel's discriminate attacks. If Israelis kill Americans then who's side are we supposed to be on? I can't accept that Israeli lives are more important than American lives or the rights of Israelis are superior to ours. If Americans in Lebanon are killed by Israelis then Americans have the right to defend themselves.
I have a good response for this one. What if Hezbollah kills an American in Israel?